Stephen Fry discussing swear words with Craig Ferguson
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What about BDSM? Torture can also be an erotic expression of lust.
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Well done Stephen. A more Englishy and academic version of something Lenny Bruce said fifty years ago. Charming.
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@MissHystic That's true. However, the context in which it is considered most offensive and the reason it is 'taboo' is as a word for the sex act.
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Fuck you fuckers, you fucking fuckers are fucking fucked.
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The word 'fuck' doesn't necessarily mean sex, the way it's used is as an act you perform on someone, not /with/ someone, "I fucked them" which has connotations of dominance, aggression and no allusion to consent.
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@RadgarEleding But the word "sex" and the phrase "make love" aren't offensive. The F word is because it's meant to be. The word torture isn't offensive, even though the thing it describes is. "Sex" vs "F***" can be compared to the difference between "gay" and "f*g." They both technically describe the same thing, but one is offensive and one isn't. If you want, you can argue that words like torture are thrown around too casually, but that's a different issue.
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@trekkiebeth I think you're missing the whole point. Stephen is saying that while fuck may be meant as inherently offensive, the word 'torture' refers to one of the most heinous acts our species can commit, and yet its use is commonplace and non-offensive. It's the culture that determines how a word is used and how its use is received. Our culture just happens to have determined that violence is more publicly acceptable than sex. Personally, I blame religion.
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The F word is not the same as saying "making love" or even "sex" because it is designed to be offensive and/or crude. A bad word is bad because it's meant to be offensive or crude, not necessarily because of the definition of the word.
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