Socialism 2009
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@scoobyDx I agree wholeheartedly. they're more like a cult. although, some of the palestinian activists are good people, trying to do the righ thing, but caught in the dogma of so-called "socialist" groups.
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@scotts689 For example you said a government doesn't exist in communism but in order to bring about the reforms that are needed to turn a state into communism state a powerful government is needed because the rich are not going to give their property up without a fight. Therefore once they have done this why would those people then distribute the power, money and property out to the people.
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@Iowa656 Your right thats how it exists in peoples imagination and in the debates between college professors but in reality it cannot work like that and never will. Communism and Socialism will always lead to tyranny as humans are not perfect and communism and/or socialism leave the door open to the most vile of people to take too much power.
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socialism - is that thing still going? how quaint,
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It's my understanding that one of the basic edicts of democracy is majority rule. The current US government puts the interest of that same oligarchy above that of the rest of the population. That oligarchy is only a small minority. So I really don't see how "capitalism makes democracy more efficient."
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It seems you don't know what real socialism is so allow me to enlighten you. It's about protecting, advancing and upholding the collective political and economic interests of the workers, farmers and non-commisioned soldiers (in this case) of the United States of America. Such a government would not stop such products and services from being produced. It would just make sure that said companies would not abuse the workers and that farmers would not be blackmailed by the ruling class.
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Socialism is the triumph of hope over reality and experience. But there are times when I envy those who are so blissfully naive as to how the world operates.
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looks like a fucking church. all these people chanting together. what a bunch of BS. it's the church of leftist dogma. no better then the evangelicals, same utopian garbage ideology.
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Workers of all lands unite. Fraternally yours for a Classless Stateless Moneyless Socialist/Communist society.
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Capitalism is a destructive idea with no merits.
We have lived and seen the capitalist system, and it's deregulation of trade and no taxation on the rich but heavy taxation on the poor has destroyed America and has destroyed the world; the ideas and actions of the Bush Administration are proof of this.
The ideas of income tax and free trade, which are fundamentalist capitalist ideas, has produced more disastrous results and have both been devastating for the less fortunate.
The Soviet Union and other Communist governments replaced corporate bureaucracy with a party bureaucracy that controlled the state. Instead of encouraging decentralized ownership through worker cooperatives they merely replaced who comprised the new ruling class. In the US we currently have a corporate bureaucracy that controls the 2 parties that control the state. Under our system people do have some ability to defend themselves but that comes from democracy not capitalism.
thrillrock86 2 years ago 7
You are obviously ignorant to what Socialism and Communism actually are. A government doesn't even exist in Communism. Government isn't the answer, real democracy is.
Iowa656 2 years ago 3