Saudi Cleric Qahtani: chopping off limbs of thieves is good

In Islam chopping off hands of thieves is good. Thus speaks Saudi Cleric Qahtani.
It protects society against criminals and innocent citizens are thus protected. Contrary, in the West criminals are protected and innocent citizens are prosecuted. Oh? I do not see that this cleric underpins this weird viewpoint.

It is a medical principle: if a patient has gangrene in his finger, it must be chopped off.
Right?
Right!

So, if a hand is criminal, it must likewise be chopped off.
Right?
WRONG!

I invite you to define the deplorable lack of logic in this insane way of reasoning.

Quran Teaches:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/gallery.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/stoning.htm

Apostasy:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

We left Islam:
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
http://www.ex-muslime.de/ (in German)

http://pi-news.net/ (in German, there is an English version)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.islam-watch.org/

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Category:

Education

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• Religion
• Islam
• human
• rights
• torture
• punishment

[ShadeSlayer1911]

dude, you are taking this way too literally. don't you think that it is a good thing that criminals are severely punished and then are rendered unable to harm other people again? Chop off a criminals limbs, he can't rape or murder anymore. Good? Or do you think it's better to put him in jail for a decade, release him, and have him angry at society and then commit crimes again? What is up with the US having guys on death row for decades before killing them? Why give them that time, that luxury?

[evospecies]

@ShadeSlayer1911

My video annotations answer most of your questions and clearly expose the extreme stupidity of the conversation between these two chaps. Corporal punishment is abandoned in humane societies, which try to make punishment proportional to the crime committed. That also counts for capital punishment. Further, it has been established that harsh punishment is counterproductive; a humane principle is to try and rehabilitate criminals.

[ShadeSlayer1911]

@evospecies but does that really happen? and if it does, the resources for the effort would be expensive and tiring just for one person let alone every god damn criminal. and what if the person does not want to be rehabilitated? then what are you supposed to do? And what is wrong with punishing people for their crimes? If there is no punishment then no one would be afraid to commit crimes. it's not about being humane or not, because really, that was lost a long time ago.

[evospecies]

@ShadeSlayer1911

Counterproductive are harsh punishments also because recidivism is socially expensive. Rehabilitation is more productive, also financially, although not 100% effective. I don’t say that crime punishment is principally wrong, but corporal punishment should be abandoned principally because inhumane (even if it would cut costs). I disagree; this is all about being humane and what do you mean humane principles were lost? Alas, we have not found the final answer to these problems.

[ShadeSlayer1911]

@evospecies i mean, humanity was lost a long time ago because look at us now. what a fucked up world this is, where is the humanity? whatever happened to morals and ethics and love? very little of that exists nowadays amongst humans. don't bother replying to this message cuz i this won't make sense to you, and i don't care if it does or not.

[evospecies]

@ShadeSlayer1911

How rude of you to suppose I cannot understand your response and how rude of you to state that you do not care! Why are you debating at all then?

Your personal frustration of course does not provide any evidence pro or con the existence of humane principles in the legislation of civilized societies.

[gorgebiaboon]

I HOPE ALLAH PASSES JUDGMENT ON HIM THE WAY HE PASSES SWIFT JUDGMENT ON THE CRIMINAL.

i hope he remembers that half of his religion is made purely by words of men and not direct words of Allah. I hope the true God of this world guide and forgive this guy for his heinous thinking, misunderstandings, and actions.

Every human being is created equal. Everyone is capable of mistake. He who punishes a mistake, better be 150% clear of any or he'll pay the same rate of price when comes time for his.

[northanc]

primitive apes

[evospecies]

@thugg22

People sane of mind find Sharia disgusting. Sharia law is a repressive, unjust system that deserves no place in humane societies. Those that adhere to Sharia law mentally reside in long past inhumane ages that knew no justice and freedom.

And, indeed you can do little about my exposing such backward injustice apart from making personal insults by want of solid arguments. Get used to it!

And what Islam really says, is found in the Qur’an. And lots of that is REALLY hatemongering!

[evospecies]

@thugg22

Corporal punishment is a remnant of backward ages and humane constitutional states have abandoned it. People that still advocate corporal punishment seem to have no idea how cruel and disproportional such penalties are.

Your racist remark about zionists and christians is totally irrelevant in this context.

Please go take your malodorous comments elsewhere.