Refugees in the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Part 2 of 2)

Luttwak's essay:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7258092/Luttwak-Give-War-a-Chance

Expulsion of Palestinians from Kuwait:

http://www.gulfwar1991.com/ (See chapter 10)

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/PalestineInFocus/Thepeople/articl...

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/14/world/after-the-war-kuwait-palestinians-in-...

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[ShmorgelBorgel]

That said--if there is a peace agreement, the descendants of Palestinian Arabs should be entitled to compensation for properties or assets lost as a result of war (if they can prove ownership)--just as the Jews expelled from Iraq, Egypt, Syria, etc...should get compensation for their properties and assets. But no, they don't have a "right" to return to what is now Israel. I have many relatives from Syria, Iraq, Tunis--we have no right to move to any of those countries.

[ShmorgelBorgel]

"why is it okay for israelis to come from russia, britain, america etc to israel even tho they never been there"

Because Israel is the Jewish state and reserves the right to give preferential immigration status to Jews, who have no other country of their own--just as Ireland or Germany gives citizenship to people of Irish or German ancestry even if they have never been to Ireland or Germany before. Arabs have 22 states, Jews only have Israel. That's why.

[mbrown0315]

@barak219 Check the first video I made in this series. There's information there.

[barak219]

@mbrown0315 אתה יכול לתת לי קישורים למידע על מקרים שמדינות המערב עשו את אותם דברים שהם מבקרים אותנו בהם? אין לי בעיה עם ביקורת אבל אני שונא שמתעלמים ממה שהם עושים ומעדיפים לקחת את התפקיד של האדם הנאור שלא יכול לעשות שום רע...בעיקר בגלל שהם לא נאלצים להתמודד עם אותן בעיות.

[Barakooda3D]

mbrown0315:

Well done.

keep post.

[caemalin]

Well, this is probably the most uplifting thing I have read from you. I hope that things do change and a change in human nature - for the better - would be ideal.

Good discussing this with you, as I said before, if you come across any other interesting items such as Luttwak's essay please forward a link or post them on your channel.

I will go back to lurking in the Youtube shadows.

Peace.

[mbrown0315]

We do learn. After we're exhausted. Or until human nature changes.

[mbrown0315]

I think exhaustion is beginning to set in on both sides. This is a good thing. There is desire to move on, and I argue that this progress should not be hijacked by a move that would reignite ethnic tensions. Compensate the refugees (both groups of them). Let time pass. Let the two sides do business (how do you overcome war? One word...business). Let there be eventual cultural exchange. Eventually, perhaps we can move into a Middle Eastern version of the EU, and then a broad confederation.

[caemalin]

He does focus on minor powers - I did not mean to oversimplify. Loss of life is loss of life, with your dead pan delivery of the facts and situation, it did not seem that was a concern to you, forgive me if I was wrong in that assumption.

I detest war, and if it occurs of course I want it over quickly, and if that means that no respite for either side until its over - and over FOR GOOD - not to occur again, I would be foolish not to take that as an option.

The LACK of humanity of it all. .

[caemalin]

"Blossoms and then dies", that is nature, but again, where is the striving for not succumbing to the cycle that has always been? It is grim, but why does it have to remain true, can this never be overcome - what is THAT solution? Otherwise all debate on this is pointless. If there were to be peace in this region, according to your comment and Luttwak this mess will rear its head again somewhere else.

Yes they were counter-productive. It should have been clean and complete from the start.