The 'Facts' of normativity. A failed argument against MetNat.

A response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=241G3L9jAUk&feature=channel_page

My interpretation of Veritas48's argument:

P1. Metaphysical naturalism makes the existence of moral facts implausible.
P2. Moral facts exist.
C3. Therefore Metaphysical naturalism is probably false.

And why it fails.

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• Veritas48
• normativity
• facts
• moral
• nihilism
• fictionalism
• queerness

[2tires]

I enjoyed hearing what you had to say although it comes from a different world view than mine. I don't get this... if moral facts don't exist, how would you classify natural selection in the sense that you have this weeding out of the weak so that the strong prevail. This process seems to have been stopped at least as far as humans are concerned. Hitler may be the exception but then he seems to be scorned even by evolutionists for his evil. Why then is this so if there are no moral facts?

[bitbutter]

"Why then is this so if there are no moral facts? "

Are you asking "why has human evolution stopped if there are no moral facts?". If so, i don't understand why you think the two things would be related.

Also: There's no reason to think that evolution in humans has stopped. Google "has human evolution ended?" for more details.

[2tires]

I was asking if the are no moral facts then what is the reason for those in the atheistic community largely oppose Hitler's atrociousness during WWII?

Also I googled "has human evolution ended". I read where scientist are split on whether not ppl are still evolving.

[bitbutter]

"I was asking if the are no moral facts then what is the reason for those in the atheistic community largely oppose Hitler's atrociousness during WWII?"

Because most people's moral feelings (shaped by a combination of societal and biological factors) tell them that what the Nazi's did was wrong.

The Nazi policies can also be opposed on a instrumental level; we can recognise that we don't want to live in a world in which things like the final solution happen.

[vickmackey24]

nice rebuttal

[bitbutter]

Cheers vickmackey24.

[Rotwang49]

Thanks from the video, a clear and effective commentary.

[SpookyFan]

Clearly laid out. Well done.

[LetReasonPrevail1]

Thanks for this great refutation

I must say that your conclusion really hit the mark, namely, that Veritas48 didn't defend or support either of his premises in any meaninglful way

Unfortunately, I have found this to be an all-too common trick of theists. They confidently pronounce their premises then do their best to distance themselves from said assertions as quickly as possible in a sad attempt to avoid any scrutiny of them. Only a fellow theist allows this b/s to go unchallenged

[benjammin221]

ENUNCIATE!!!!!

[Cashify]

Why call reason good? There is neither good nor evil in reality.

[bitbutter]

Great!

[bitbutter]

You're welcome, Thanks in return.