What is Art ? 4

The impact of conceptual art, George Dickie and the institutional theory, Arthur Danto and the artworld

Category:

Film & Animation

Tags:

• Lars Vilks
• Arthur Danto
• George Dickie
• Conceptual Art
• Artworld

[pluskvam]

It really doesn't matter what you consider. The art world rules and if you describe the what is art and quality art all these works are just that. What you are trying to say is probably that you don't like this kind of art.

[pluskvam]

@Hofsteder I am working on a book on this subject. The "reason" is not the problem. I have collected dictionnaries of reasons, so sure they have arguments. I mean that the main point is "relevance", what sort of attitude that is relevant in the artworld at a certain time. This can of change but the more radical changes come in the beginning. Warhol is quite firm as he has been influential in art for three decades. So in order to write that story you will need Warhol.

[pluskvam]

@Hofsteder. Still the artworld has to confirm any artist seen as quality. And I am aware that changes will take place. Warhol was not seen as a superstark until the end of th 80s. In the 80s Julian Schnabel was the quality but it came out to be Cindy Sherman. It took some time for the relation aesthetics artists to rise, but today they are there: Rirkrit Tiravanija, Pierre Huyghe, Liam Gillick. The difference between the 1800s and today is that there is no alternative art scene.

[MixedTapeMessiah]

I personally agree with the idea of a modern concept of art not emerging until the late 19th century. I think in our own contemporary art scene, the most interesting work(at least to me)come as work that acts through some other field. Work about society/culture, perception, science, theatre, experience. The door is wide open, and a lot can be art, but there is definitely a distinction. I don't know if I can define art, but its something I can feel, I can smell it, touch it, taste it.

[vanderbilt887]

None of the works in this video I consider art - none.

Postmodernist BS, or:

The Hegelian apocalyptic apotheosis become reality

Which is probably exactly what these "artists" tried to do. Nonsense. No matter how elaborate Danto's "artworld" may become, I still consider it nonsense. Only a person who has spend way, way too much time with this claptrap will ever consider a pile of bricks art.