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9-note Diatonic Scale on 16-tone nine string guitar

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Uploaded by on Dec 26, 2010

www.microtonalguitarist.com & www.swordguitars.com more microtonal guitars.. . ....I made this guitar, this is my buddy playin. This is a harmonic minor scale in which the minor thirds are divided equally in 1/2. Another way to think of it is having minor whole tones and fifths. What happens in meta-Mavila temperament is - the whole tones are so narrow- they end up adding to conventional minor thirds. I have another video posted explaining this and showing the harmonic minor fitting in with this scale in with basically just 2 more notes. The scale is played slowly so you can hear what minor thirds sound like divided in half - in this 9 note version. 9 note scales are mathematically common in the moment of symmetry scheme.....there are 5, 7, 9, 16, 25, 41 note versions of mavila. The sixteen tone equal division octave system by analogy to the 12-tet tradition system is microtonal at first.. but when you open your ears to hearing a "minor diatonic scale" which reverses major and minor, its like new colors. I thought it would be a sick and bittersweet scale for some death metal. A documentary just came out on Erv Wilson- the person who is credited with naming this "stop" in the Moment of Symmetry "universe". I enjoy it for it's purer thirds (5/4) and sixths (8/5), a harmonic seventh (7/4) , and the two whole tones I have at my disposal - one being 8/7 and the other 12/11..as well as 2 major sevenths. The 8/7 whole tone generates Gorgo/Cynder temperament which sounds otally differnet from mavila. The low integer approximations make for a journey through harmonic and melodic territory which is VERY seldom explored due to mostly cultural bias and technologically rarely being available for alternative temperament exploration. The minor thirds are the same as 12 in 16 which may be attractive to some people... the Italian school of 16 has made the analogy before that this scale can be based on a just intonation sub group of 2.5.7- called Armodue.
I find the new fifths awesome - they approximate the "grave fifth" a historical interval that has character as well. They add up to a minor third, instead of major! That is why this in it's 7 note form is called anti-diatonic. It reverses the cycle of fourths and fifths! I was just sick of the generic power chord when I chose 16 and I like the sick, bitter mood I experienced when I heard it. So it was my first "metal" microtonal scale of choice. I later found out Steve Vai even used it once! Bizarre.
Now having learned it being in Augusto Novarro's book at the turn of the 20th century, as well as advocated by Erv Wilson with meta-Mavila and a plethora of fun hyper diminished scales and MOS scales...I am in love with 16 tone.... I just built a new fanned fret 9-string with custom pickups - recording some pretty epic death metal with this stuff right now.

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  • Just out of curiosity, hat kind of music would you play with this? Rock, jazz, tech death? I'm just kinda wondering where this would fit in musically in any genre other than the few that make use of 16-tone scales. I could see the usefulness for playing turkish or other middle eastern music, but can it do anything beyond that? Not trying to troll, mind you. I'm genuinely curious.

  • @TheLexiV well 16 has 4-equal so its alot like 12 there, also has a reversal of the diatonic scale on the step size from LLsLLLs to ssLsssL -and you get divided minor thirds instead of major, and a cycle of fifths that leads to minor. This is great for acoustic style music- exploring african, indonesian -pelog and slendro flavors or can be good for darker music, as there is subminor below minor, which is like a sadder minor. so death metal is great for it. /watch?v=9cBVqltnW_M&

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  • is it me or are all the strings out of tune? 

  • @SwirlyBrokenHearts , "Ron Sword is the Jesus Christ of SHIT MUSIC, congrats, how do you feel BRO!?!?!?"

    feels awesome.

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  • @RSwordIAAA as there is subminor below minor, which is like a sadder minor

    Thats one thing i didnt know about music!

  • Cool bro, have a cookie for the clean playing. NOW PLAY SOME TECHNICAL DEATH RIFFS

  • That sucker looks hard to play...

  • @Neoclassicalman

    It is microtonal, look up that term. To our Western "brainwashed" ears, this sounds out of tune. But all it is doing is taking an octave and dividing it into more notes than our "usual" 12.

  • awesome. i've been trying to do this with a keyboard over midi... it's really hard. atonal and quartertonal music are great. sucks that after thousands of years it's still barely caught on huh?

    you ever tried to play a saz?

  • @Neoclassicalman You obviously don't know anything about diatonic scales and tones do you?

  • looks like very few people here can appreciate microtonal music.

    "Ron Sword is the Jesus Christ of SHIT MUSIC"

    what a stupid troll. talk about closed minded!!

  • @fuckamerica109 I recommend quarter-tones or 20-tone. depends on the music you play. i could make a 3k$ guitar, sword guitars is going to have some new guitars this year - 7 strings in any tuning system you want for around 700$

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