Lance Armstrong & Paul Kimmage verbal battle at Tour of California 2009

Watch what happens when Paul Kimmage from the UK Sunday Times confronts Lance Armstrong on doping issues during the Amgen Tour of California Press Conference. "What is it about those dopers you admire so much?"

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[Toffeeboyish]

A truly horrendous human being. A sociopath, a liar, a bully, a hypocrite, and a cheat.

He made a fortune out of cancer, which may have been self induced, and yet still hides behind it, and its victims, to in some way justify his behaviour. A future Governor of Texas?

Respect to Paul Kimmage, David Walsh and others for refusing to be bullied, or to play along with the lie.

[RonnyUniverse]

HA HA, Guess what?? Lance got caught with his fingers in the cookie jar. He got seven cookies out safely but when he went back for cookie 8 & 9 He got caught

[alexis david]

Hamilton says in his book that Arstrong has taken the first step by telling the truth- page 273 - but that the lie was so vast that it can only come out in stages he cannot just flip a switch and be 100% transparent. He goes on to say that he feels some empathy for him and at some point 'enough is enough'. He knows the truth has set him free and I think wants it for him too. Hamilton suffered a lot from Armstrongs influence but if he can sincerely say that then thats good enough for me.

[rockethead7]

I said I agreed with you once I understood that you implied "if" Armstrong did XYZ. But, my point was, the odds of that happening are like winning the lottery. Armstrong isn't showing ANY signs of remorse. He lied like a madman in the Oprah interview, only confessing the bare minimum, still covering up most of his crimes. He continues to support and endorse the doping culture.

Don't talk to me about Armstrong's forgiveness while he was a destructive fraud for 18 years, AND STILL IS ONE NOW.

[alexis david]

Armstrongs actions were deplorable and he does deserve to be punished which he is being -life ban, law suits, vilifiaction etc My point is this: can a man however bad his crimes be rehabilitated or not. Do they even deserve the chance? You say no and thats fair enough. I say rehabilitation is possible. By no means certain but it is possible. Hate just breeds hate and the more Armstrong is hated the more he will hate. Who gains from that? We all need forgiveness.

[rockethead7]

(again, this is a 2nd reply to the same message)

As for your final sentence, saying that we should give Armstrong more time... it just seems like you've got your head stuck in a hole, and you just can't accept reality. Armstrong had EIGHTEEN YEARS of lies. You say he needs more time now?

He finally admitted a small fraction of his crimes (only after being backed into a corner), and he continues to lie about most of his other crimes. Should we wait another 18 years for him to admit the rest?

[rockethead7]

Your list of names of people Armstrong destroyed is far too short. And, the sad reality is that we'll probably never know about most of them. For 18 years, Armstrong sued anyone and everyone who he thought might reveal the truth. Of course, most lawsuits are settled with a non-disclosure agreement. Armstrong said on Oprah that he sued so many people that he couldn't even remember who they all were (one of the few true things he said). Now there are countless people who can never come forward.

[rockethead7]

You strike me as someone who hasn't read any of the materials that are counter to your position. What about the bribery to the UCI? What about the many counts of perjury, fraud, and drug trafficking Armstrong is guilty of?

Get this through your head: he's not just another doped up athlete who cheated and got caught. He's a remorseless pig who destroyed countless people's careers/finances for a period of 18 years, and not merely other dopers, but also any innocents who stumbled across his path.

[laochranangael]

His denial of drug use is not the problem for most people. Rather it is his horrific treatment of Emma O'Reilly, whom he labelled an alcoholic whore, his treatment of a true hero, Christophe Bassons, whom he bullied out of the tour, his treatment of the Andreus, his usage of a deadly disease as a shield against being subject to due scrutiny and so forth.

His drug usage is largely irrelevant except for the fact that it revealed the limitless and deplorable depths to which Armstrong would sink.

[alexis david]

The culture of doping in Armstrongs era was very sophisticated EPO etc In the 80's the only drug that could not be detected was cortisone. Fignon admitted it was used extensively as well as amphetamines when there would be no drug testing. My point is Armstrong did not start this.It was the culture for decades. The other riders of Armstrongs era denied for years too not just Armstrong. If there is no remorse then he deserves to be vilified. Guess all I'm saying is give the guy a bit more time.

[rockethead7]

(2nd reply)

Here's the thing: not only is he already on his millionth chance, but in order to be entitled to a 2nd chance he'd have to truly be remorseful.

But, he isn't remorseful. He sent that message loud and clear with the non-stop parade of lies throughout the Oprah interview.

My favorite lie was: "My wife said I could still race after 2005, but I should do it clean." Pfft!! The wife objected to the cheating, but she didn't object to the fraudulent lawsuits that ruined people's lives? Sure.

[rockethead7]

Well, look, this isn't about second chances. Second chances go to those who screw up, get caught, apologize, and move on. Armstrong is on his 19736249th chance. After 18 years of ruining people's lives, you can no longer call it a 2nd chance.

And, he only admitted the absolute bare minimum (and did that only after the 1000 page USADA report left him no other choice), and continues to lie about everything after 2005.

The only thing he's sorry for is that he got caught. He's not sorry beyond that.