Final Cut: The Making and Unmaking of Heaven's Gate (Part 5 of 8)

Documentary about the fiasco involved in the production of Cimino's masterpiece Heaven's Gate.

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[scorsese86]

Cimino kinda looks like Jon Lovitz!

[jts729]

"Too big to fail" always means it will fail.

[saukrates420]

Michael Cimino is the most pretentious film director of all time. One word, Hubris.

[snakes3425]

@McLarenMercedes

I can already tell you're not a science fiction fan. The point I want to drive home is the times had changed when Heaven's Gate came out, Cimnio put too much emphisis on authenticity and not enough on story or casting. All those film makers you mentioned, they were able to deliver the goods and tell stories. I love Hitchcock, and the others but I couldn't list them because of the 500 character limit

[McLarenMercedes]

@snakes3425

Are you implying that Cimino would have made a sequal had "Heaven's Gate" been a success?? Is there an end to the nonsense that comes out of you?

Why are you comparing "Pocahontas-meets-Dances With Wolves-in outer space" with "Heaven's Gate"?

1,6 million people saw Red Letter Media's scorching review of Avatar. He raises some very good points, which even you should understand after watching it. A real eye opener to people with half a brain.

[McLarenMercedes]

@snakes3425

Star Wars is pretty much ripped of Kurosawa's "Hidden Fortress" from the 1950's. So much so that Lucas himself admits it was ain important influence.

That you fail to mention Martin Scorsese, Stanley Kubrick, Akira Kurosawa, John Ford, Alfred Hitchcock, Fritz Lang (infinitely more important than Meridian C.Cooper) or Orson Welles essentially disqualifies you from any serious discussion.

You just list blockbuster movies.

George Lucas? Great film maker?? Oh dear.

[McLarenMercedes]

@snakes3425

Sturgeon's Law "90% of all sci-fi is crud". He was a respected sci-fi writer. This means if you give the "science fiction fans" what they want, you get junk which is all flash and no substance.

Zorro never took place in the wild west either. What's wrong with you?? The character traditionally appeared in Spanish colonial California in the late 1700's.

"Once Upon A Time in the West" is considered one of the best westerns of all times and it had none of your examples.

[McLarenMercedes]

@snakes3425

Knew you were clueless. James Cameron?? He doesn't know a thing about character development and is just flash.

George Lucas is a hack and he did NOT direct Indiana Jones thank you very much. Had Star Wars been released the way Lucas intended it, it would have been a huge flop. Fortunately for him he the producer Gary Kurtz with screenplay writer Lawrence Kasdan improve Lucas's flimsy vision.WHO calls George Lucas a good director?? Again I urge you to see RedLetterMedia

[McLarenMercedes]

@snakes3425

Neither Titanic nor Avatar are "great movies". I agree they were commercial successes but so was The Phantom Menace, Transformers and the Twilight movies. By contrast "No Country for Old Men", "There Will Be Blood" and "Goodfellas" weren't commercially popular.

Sorry, but in order to save myself the troulbe I suggest you watch Red Letter Media's brilliant review of Avatar and see what tricks Cameron uses.

As for Titanic, cardboard characters and very black and white.

[dornravlin]

they should have gotten sergio leone

[snakes3425]

@TheBermudaMan

I think with Avatar it depends on which verson you see, the orginal release, re-release, or the special directors cut on the 3 disk set. The major diffference is that Heaven's Gate bombed so badly it never had to contend with what Avatar now has to face: a sequal that will without a doubt have very high expectations

[snakes3425]

@TheBermudaMan

cont.

Point I want to try and stress is that where as Cameron has had experience in directing science fiction films like Avatar, did Cimino ever direct a western like Heaven's Gate