Re: Agnosticism - An atheist (such as myself) can't prove that there is no God, in the same way that Bertrand Russell said that you can't prove there isn't a teapot in an elliptical orbit between Earth and Mars. But the rational response isn't to say "I'm unsure as to whether there's a teapot"; a rational person says "I don't see any evidence for a teapot, so for the time being, I don't believe there is one". Why treat God any differently? If you're an agnostic, you're also an atheist.
02:35 I disagree. You don't have to choose between a dichotomous conclusion. "I don't know" is a perfectly good position to hold indefinitely. However, the very face that something can be inconclusive indefinitely lends itself towards a negative. So, if I were to be pushed off the fence by an Mag 9 earthquake, I'd choose to fall into the Atheist's side.
I can understand why we fence sitters would frustrate many people. We create a sense of uncertainty that can be threatening to many.
Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
@gszx1337 Agnostics have nothing to do with athiesm. athiesm is a belief system, just as theism is, agnosticsism is a knowledge system, personally i think athiesm and theism is rediculous, i mean, your only lying to yourself, you cant possibly know if there is an afterlife or a creator, because it is uncomprehendable. creation vs creator happens to be both dogmatic. god is dogmatic, evolution is dogmatic. why take sides, become an agnostic and learn from athiesm and theism, dont follow it.
I've been reading Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, and it's actually very interesting, though he does sometimes delve into some very strange topics at times, like whether an unborn baby can recieve baptism.
I've also read Anselm's Proslogion (that's where his ontological argument appears), and it's... incomprehensable. Of course, his ontological argument could be used to justify the existance of any god described as omnipotent, omnicient, and all the other "omni's" that are applied to him.
Here's a rec for you: Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ." As an atheist myself, I've had a number of Christians recommend this. I picked it up, saw one ludicrous claim and put it down in disgust. If you have more patience than I do, I would delight in your tearing it apart. Best to you, ~
Atheism is on the same level as Theism, so is Agnostism. You cannot put Atheism on the same level as another religion, or even call it a religion.
zDabzc 1 month ago
Lol, Aqua-ness.
TearsOfWar1 6 months ago
Re: Agnosticism - An atheist (such as myself) can't prove that there is no God, in the same way that Bertrand Russell said that you can't prove there isn't a teapot in an elliptical orbit between Earth and Mars. But the rational response isn't to say "I'm unsure as to whether there's a teapot"; a rational person says "I don't see any evidence for a teapot, so for the time being, I don't believe there is one". Why treat God any differently? If you're an agnostic, you're also an atheist.
holycow818181 8 months ago
02:35 I disagree. You don't have to choose between a dichotomous conclusion. "I don't know" is a perfectly good position to hold indefinitely. However, the very face that something can be inconclusive indefinitely lends itself towards a negative. So, if I were to be pushed off the fence by an Mag 9 earthquake, I'd choose to fall into the Atheist's side.
I can understand why we fence sitters would frustrate many people. We create a sense of uncertainty that can be threatening to many.
xaq141175 1 year ago
Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
Nikolas100o10oao 1 year ago
@gszx1337 Agnostics have nothing to do with athiesm. athiesm is a belief system, just as theism is, agnosticsism is a knowledge system, personally i think athiesm and theism is rediculous, i mean, your only lying to yourself, you cant possibly know if there is an afterlife or a creator, because it is uncomprehendable. creation vs creator happens to be both dogmatic. god is dogmatic, evolution is dogmatic. why take sides, become an agnostic and learn from athiesm and theism, dont follow it.
VeganAnimalLover1994 1 year ago
The hostility towards agnosticism can be summed up as:
Agnostics = Pussy Atheists;
gszx1337 1 year ago
I personally find agnostics annoying because they seem to always try to take both sides, even though the two sides are completely opposite.
brettsheakirk 2 years ago
I've been reading Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, and it's actually very interesting, though he does sometimes delve into some very strange topics at times, like whether an unborn baby can recieve baptism.
I've also read Anselm's Proslogion (that's where his ontological argument appears), and it's... incomprehensable. Of course, his ontological argument could be used to justify the existance of any god described as omnipotent, omnicient, and all the other "omni's" that are applied to him.
GuineaPigDan 2 years ago
Here's a rec for you: Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ." As an atheist myself, I've had a number of Christians recommend this. I picked it up, saw one ludicrous claim and put it down in disgust. If you have more patience than I do, I would delight in your tearing it apart. Best to you, ~
Metalcultistmike 2 years ago