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[onemarktwoyou]

@adamantis4657

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Do you deny that the catholic encyclopedia stated that the baptism formula was changed in the second centuries?

Did you earlier say that you have to believe in the trinity to be saved? I hope you didn't!

Salvation does not base itself on the belief of the triune god(s) or lack of faith in the triune doctrine. To say so is a nasty thing to do.

Oh' if you want we can go deeply into the word 'El_him'.

[onemarktwoyou]

@adamantis4657

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I have been out of town, but meet up with some Hebrew scholars. They corrected my understanding of the word 'echad'. Go figure I was taught by a trinitarian. They even put text books(plural) in front of me. They proved it was an absolute singular. Including the uses of it in other areas in the bible and out of it as well.

Also you are a "specialist" in the early church?

I have not meet a catholic yet that wasn't.

[baldonebear]

@onemarktwoyou

Part 2 What does Justin Martyr say:

"Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, “Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

[baldonebear]

@onemarktwoyou

What did Jesus say about the baptismal formula in Matt 28?

The typical formula is "I baptize you in Jesus Name. In the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and in the name of the Holy Spirit.

[adamantis4657]

@onemarktwoyou: U should READ CARFULLY!

I am A SPECIALIST about the EARLY CHURCH - I KNOW THE HOLY FATHERS very very well and also ALL DOCUMENTS OF THE EARLY CHURCH.

NOTHING WAS CHANGED - u can see for yourself: THE DOCUMENTS CAN BE READ ONLINE and also the writings of the Holy Fathers.

TRINITY = CENTRAL DOGMA OF CHRISTIANITY - NO TRINITY -= NO SALVATION. As also many Saints have seen the Heretics burning in HELL.

[onemarktwoyou]

@adamantis4657

I don't have a lot of time in the next few days so don't bother with responding I will get back with this. I will then have time to look the passages over then. But a quick thing about baptizing.

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."

[adamantis4657]

@onemarktwoyou: PLURAL FORMS OF GOD in HEBREW

Ecclesiastes 12:1: "Remember now you creator…" [Literally: creators.]

Psalm 149:2: "Let Israel rejoice in their Maker." [Literally: makers.]

Joshua 24:19: "…holy God…" [Literally: holy Gods.]

Isaiah 54:5: "For your Maker is your husband…" [Literally: makers, husbands.]

[adamantis4657]

@onemarktwoyou: There are also passages where ELOHIM is used with a plural verb:

Genesis 35:7: "…because there God (Elohim) appeared unto him…" [Literally: They appeared unto him.]

2 Samuel 7:23: "…God (Elohim) went…" [Literally: They went.]

Psalm 58:12: "Surely He is God (Elohim) who judges…[Literally: They judge.]

Genesis 20:13: "And it came to pass, when God (Elohim) caused me to wander [literally: They caused me to wander] from my father's house…

[adamantis4657]

@onemarktwoyou: Mystery of the Holy Trinity in the Hebrew Bible:

So u see the Mystery of the Trinity is THERE:

ELOHIM (PLURAL NOUN) BARA (SINGULAR VERB) - this is EXACTLY THE TEACHING OF THE TRINITY.

Because would the hebrew text use a plural form for the verb IT WOULD BE NOT SO CLEARL.

BUT GOD IS ONE but HE has THREE HYPOSTASES. That when GOD CREATES - he creates AS ONE GOD: BARA

But when we look closer he is THREE (ELOHIM) - THE TEXT IS PERFECT

[adamantis4657]

Virtually all Hebrew scholars do recognize that the word Elohim as it stands by itself is a plural noun:

When "Elohim" is used of the true God it is followed by a singular verb when it is used of false gods it is followed by the plural verb:

"But, in fact, the verb used in the opening verse of Genesis is 'bara' which means 'he created'—singular. One need not be too profound a student of Hebrew to understand that the opening verse of Genesis clearly speaks of a singular God."