CALVINISM- 'Why I Am Not A 5 Point Calvinist' - By Dr. Norman Geisler (6 OF 9)

(6 OF 9) WOW A MUST SEE!!! At 'A Moment of Truth' (AMomentOfTruth.org), we are in total agreement with Dr. Geisler. We believe Calvinism is an attack on Gods Character for "God Is Love" (1 John 4:8, 16). God is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). We discern from the Word of God that most people wont be saved despite the fact that God desires for all to be saved! However, God does't send people to Hell. They choose to go there. 'MY CALVINIST BROTHER AND SISTER, MAYBE YOU NEED MORE OF GOD'S LOVE AND MERCY IN YOU, MAYBE!!!' (Sammy Sabbagh, 'A Moment of Truth').

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[TheHumbuckerboy]

I love this beautiful teaching .Praise God !

[msb0000]

@MrBlackhaw - No sir. You are making it confusing. Jesus said the Gospel is easy for a little child to understand.  Jesus loves all-died for all. Those that believe will be saved. Those that believe not will not be in the Kingdom.

[MrBlackhaw]

John 3:16 continued: Ephesians 2 gives commentary on these verses because we find that salvation is by the grace of God through faith. Thus faith is by the grace of God. So we can only have faith by grace. So we choose or not to have faith but we can only have make the chocie of faith b/c of the grace of God.

[MrBlackhaw]

@msb0000 John 3:16 means God demonstrated His love for the world that he he sent His Son to die for the world and that whoever chooses to believe in him has a chance at eternal life. If you read the next verses it is clear that some will not have faith and will be damned.

[MrBlackhaw]

@msb0000 Not argumenative. Just do not want you to dodge questions. So God loved Jacob less? So he loves some less than others? He loves you more than someone who lives in a worse situation. How much less? How is this less love demonstrated in real life? Maybe he did not die for those he loved less. Confusing answer. Brings up more questions than answers.

[msb0000]

@MrBlackhaw - why so argumentative? Romans 9 in the context of Luke 14:26 means that God didn't hate Esau, but loved him less than Jacob. So what does John 3:16 mean?

[MrBlackhaw]

@msb0000 Why do you not address what I spoke about in my last post? What does Luke 14:26 mean? What does the passage I quoted from Romans and Malachi mean?

[msb0000]

@MrBlackhaw - Actually, the Bible does say God loves everyone: John 3:16. It's just a pity Calvinists deny its meaning as well as so many other passages. When Paul quotes Gen., he is most definitely quoting in its context: nations.

[MrBlackhaw]

@msb0000 Okay what does Luke 14:26 mean? Romans 9 and Malachi surely are not talking hating in the way we think about it. Ok. But it is not saying that God has to love all either. And it is about God choosing Jacob over Esau. So God does not love everyone in the way we think of love either. And BTW the verses in Malachi and Romans do not address nations. they adress people. Although there are national consequences.

[msb0000]

@MrBlackhaw - Sir, the Bible is the best commentary on the Bible. Read Luke 14:26. Is Jesus really telling us to hate our Father and Mother or saying to love them less? Gen. 25:23 - You have two NATIONS in your womb. So, the Calvinist understanding of Romans 9 is false and therefore the whole of their (your) logic is built on a false premise.