1 of 7 - Reading - Consciousness / Free Will / Determinism

Elaine Walker reads from her book-in-progress, "Chaos, Consciousness, Curiosity". The selected readings are from her "Consciousness" chapter, which cover these topics:

What is consciousness?

What is Free Will?

What is Pre-Determinism?

Free Will vs. Determinism

Where does quantum indeterminism come into play?

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• chaos
• theory
• quantum
• morality
• atheism

[OnychaHazel]

how many bifurcations are you averaging per chapter?

[miselaineeous]

Oh.. one or two. :P

[ohmphthschwrhu]

freedom is overated and overmassaged ,if the population is 7billion this is what happens at 7bil.this thing called life makes tools to survive;eyes nose ears mouth skin feet etc.we mimic this thing with our inventions.this thing made our emotions. some of the tools this life thing has made,it knows it will render obsolete if those tools happen to be too distructive or come to rival its destiny.take away emotion and who knows freedom?fully mature/optimize the human brain and what is freedom/will

[miselaineeous]

Yes, the spontaneous order brand of anarchy; libertarian-anarchy, or anarcho-capitalism, or anarchist free-market economy.. however you want to say it. The FREE kind. :) I doubt any form of govt is "very safe", but it would be if we were smart enough to let it actually work and not mess with it the way we've messed with our own (no longer) free market society.

[raw420x]

Yes, yes, so it would be Anarchy, as in a very safe version? (spontaneous order) . . . (?)

[miselaineeous]

wonderpope -- Yes, by abstract I do mean "reducing something to basic and simple properties" in a sense, although I specifically mean our imagined-euclidean-geometry-ve­rsion of something. Like imagining a XMas tree as a triangle, or in another sense, imagining a loose category like "straight people" (where some may actually have varying degrees of bisexual tendencies) as a distinct category and drawing it as a box in some diagram, and also how we perceive separate objects in the first place.

[miselaineeous]

Of course, since systems all overlap, they interfere with one another, and something caught going down the drain can be "reset" and then take another route (like saving a species that would otherwise go extinct).

I'm actually not clear yet which of the 3 fates brains or black holes fall into (if any) but the analogy I'm drawing is that they are perhaps such incredibly "focused" systems, they become inaccessible to the outside world. No one can explore the inside of a black hole, or our minds.

[miselaineeous]

Olehenry1 -- I really should give a tutorial on chaos theory and how order comes out of simple feedback loops. Only 3 things happen to a system. It will either (1) be pulled into a periodic cycle (like an asteroid being pulled into a repeating orbit, or like periodic population fluctuations), (2) fly off to infinity (like an astroid getting flung out of orbit, or a population explosion), or (3) get pulled down the drain (like an asteroid crashing into a planet, or an extinction).

[miselaineeous]

raw420x -- yay! Thanks for the encouragement. And your comments help me to understand what I need to explain more clearly.

[miselaineeous]

raw420x -- I assume you're using "chaotic" in the sense of messy randomness, but perhaps you're using the more correct mathematical meaning of the word, as in "chaos theory". (again, "spontaneous order" is occurring)