Karajan - Beauty as I see it / Die Schönheit wie ich sie sehe (Part 8)

A documentary about the legend Herbert von Karajan. Famous artists, family members, friends and politics talk about the Maestro. A Film by Robert Dornhelm to the 100th anniversary of Herbert von Karajan in coperation with Deutsche Grammophon, Unitel Classica, MR-Film, ZDF, ORF and Fernsehfonds Austria.

Eine Dokumentation über die Legende Herbert von Karajan. Berühmte Künstler, Familienmitglieder, Freunde und Politiker sprechen über den Maestro. Ein Film von Robert Dornhelm zum 100. Geburtstag von Herbert von Karajan in einer Kooperation mit Deutsche Grammophon, Unitel Classica, MR-Film, ZDF, ORF und Fernsehfonds Austria.

Category:

Music

Tags:

• Herbert
• von
• Karajan
• conductor
• Dirigent
• Eliette
• Berliner
• Philharmoniker
• Wiener
• Simon
• Rattle
• Christa
• Ludwig
• Gundula
• Janowitz
• Anne
• Sophie
• Muttter
• Rene
• Kollo
• Seiji
• Ozawa
• Christian
• Thielemann
• Helmut
• Schmidt
• Leonard
• Bernstein
• Deutsche
• Grammophon
• Beauty
• as
• see
• it
• Die
• Schönheit
• wie
• ich
• sie
• sehe
• Klassik
• Classic

[jth0134]

What is the music in the first four minutes, please.

[MaestroStark]

I think it is "Deutsches Requiem" by Johannes Brahms.

[Gothicchateau1847]

I love Christa Ludwig's voice - but whenever she talks about Karajan, there is every single time something devaluating in it - he was oldfashioned, and now Lenny was music and Karajan MADE it - this is so so pathetic. What is her problem???

Siman Rattle seems a cool guy, he has no problem to admit what is great about others. No ego problems there, also with Janowitz and Janssons and Kissin and Ozawa.

There are some values you cannot devaluate. No matter how hard you try.

[mfealy]

@japanesesweet are you sure HK had this aspect as well?

[darkprose]

@japanesesweet Yes, you could very well be right. I was speculating, and perhaps took it a little too far. But, yes, I would rather your conclusion be correct.

[japanesesweet]

@darkprose I don't think it was a reference to Bernstein's homosexuality per se. not least because HvK had this aspect as well. Perhaps it was more a relating to the tendency towards excess:Drink,smoking,sex in the case of LB?

[murphy456]

@darkprose I agree with this comment. I heard a M9 that could rival Karajan's Bernstein did though. Not saying it is better, I don't know that version as well as Karajan's yet.

[karolfranzjosef]

@Gothicchateau1847

Karajan was a genius but also a bit of a jerk. I think Ludwig has nothing against Karajan musicaly only personaly.

[darkprose]

@darkprose Though I think, and this is my last comment, Karajan surpassed Bernstein's NYP recording of Mahler's 5th. I still prefer K's 5th to B's version with the VPO.

[darkprose]

@darkprose I think another thing that can't be forgotten is that Bernstein was himself a composer, so I think he may have approached music, eg, Mahler, from a different perspective than Karajan. Is there a "composerly" perspective? I don't know, but I think that was another component of their differences.

[darkprose]

@Dionysosable I love them both, or, let me put it this way: I wouldn't want to chose between them. They both did so much for music. What bothered me was the statement in the interview that Lenny's life beyond conducting wasn't disciplined. How does he know? I hope it wasn't a veiled reference to his homosexuality. I'm not saying it is, but that would be a low blow. But I completely agree that they were two very different musical personalities, but complementary in their way.