The problem with 'the problem of evil'

Christian Philosopher Dr Gary R. Habermas points out that those raising the problem of evil against the existence of God either understand evil to be a subjective reality or an objective one, and either understanding leads to problems for their argument...

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[johnadamceravolo]

The God of the bible is decidedly immoral. If an objective morality exists, the god of the bible hardly meets it's standard. This argument is strong until a person actually reads scripture and is made aware of how ridiculous it is to say that the existence of morality is proof of the existence of god. I love when christians try to play this card. I then ask them to explain to me how the ordinance laid out in Exodus 21:20, 21 is in any way moral.

[snuju1]

Is the Author of absolutely everything responsible for you not liking spinach? How can he not be?

[M3PanoS]

@ticket88 @ticket88 Uh no. You're the one that strawmans the argument to make it applicable to as you call it 'Xtianity.' Don't know why you're calling it Xtianity anyways unless maybe you have your reservations about this religion which may be why you're bringing into the equation...just a thought.

In reality, this video says nothing about Christianity, but only states that the moral argument argues for the existence of God...now who's guilty of the non-sequitor fallacy?

[ticket88]

@M3PanoS The only incoherent thing here is his fallacious argument, which, as I have already explained, is based on faulty logic. He is saying that the acknowledgement of the existence of a moral argument makes Xtianity true. That is not correct logic. It's what is known as a non-sequitur and therefore, a logical fallacy.

[M3PanoS]

@ticket88 His problem with his argument is that it doesn't disprove atheism? You're not being coherent...

And lol. Yes it is valid.

[ticket88]

@M3PanoS No, it doesn't. That's the problem with his argument.  It's not valid.

[M3PanoS]

@ticket88 But it does disprove atheism. :D

[ticket88]

The idea that the acknowledgement of a moral argument somehow makes Xtianity true, is simply a non-sequitur and your argument is fallacious.

[DyXXed]

This is just semantics. If he insists, you can call it "the problem of suffering". The point is that it's something that we would not expect to see if a benevolent God ruled the world.

[veritaslogos]

Gabermas does have a point, it just depends on which version of the problem of evil one is takling about, something previous posters have failed to capture. His response doesn't work on the logical form of the problem of evil because its typically a test of internal consistency. However in the evidential form, it does work.