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@EyMeng - well read my personal reply first, but I'll still have to say that once you can play jazz, prog is easy. Most players start with prog and then learn jazz, as prog is a rock form.
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@progjazzfusion Ask a jazz man to improvise prog, and he would have the same difficulty. Classical improv is just as dificult, if not more so.Kieth emerson and Rick wakeman can do things that Bill Evans would not be able to do.I consider the greatest piano player to be Art Tatum, and he is more classical than jazz. His voicings are closer to that of the late romantics, who themselves could improvise in concerto form (and concertos are difficult to play).There is no definite line between genres.
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@EyMeng - I don't mean to sound condescending but I don't think you have heard+learned enuff about jazz or classical to recognize each's characteristic attributes. Dave Stewart would not even call himself a jazz keyboardist. He may like jazz, and play his own version of it inspired by it, but not play the real thing. There are lots of good readers who can play any sheetmusic put in front of them but ask them to fill in on a jazz date or improvise and their limitations would be revealed.
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@progjazzfusion the only thing "classical" about it is it doesn't swing. show me how else the harmony lacks jazz facility, for it sounds equal to jazz for me.
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@EyMeng -ps i have loved all the prog groups you mentioned above, had all the albums, learned many of their songs on all instruments when in my teens, but jazz and true fusion are more complex
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@EyMeng - I know all the Egg stuff, it's great, some of my fav stuff, very complex for prog, obvious jazz influences leading to them being known as canterbury, but yet still its more classical. I agree some modern classical gets out there complex 12 tone ie schoenberg, etc. Yet jazz and true fusion players use certain jazz harmonic facilities that escape most prog players, regardless of how great stewart + mont are. prog vs fusion is kind of like the old american vs euro jazz argument.
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@progjazzfusion I play piano and drums, I play and compose rock, dubstep, techno, prog, jazz and fusion, and combine them together. I am in a small jazz combo, as well as a prog/space/fusion/rock band as well as a tribute rock band. I can name any chord or polychord, and am well-versed in scales, modes and chord inversions. For your consideration, listen to this prog song (not mine) /watch?v=BBI_5AdBSS0 , there are few triads.
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@EyMeng - again the main difference between prog and fusion is the harmonic content. there are others, but that is the clincher. before we go into music theory I need to know that you know it, and what instruments you play would be nice to know too. There is more going on harmonically on the Hymn of the 7th album than simple triads. there are fourths, sevenths, etc etc....tell me how much you know music theory from a jazz perspective and then we can discuss this intelligently.
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@progjazzfusion You are using circular logic. You first claim that prog is not as complex as fusion, and your only evidence is that to be fusion it must be more complex than prog. That's like saying a duck is not a swan because swans are not ducks. I need more information, e.g. tell me why prog isn't allowed to use more complex chords and still be called prog. Also, Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy has mostly triads. it is hardly that complex; what is your basis for calling that jazz?
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@EyMeng - I'm sorry but as progressive as chick and pats jazz may sound to you, they are not what I'd call progressive rock at all. I define each separately usually. to be fusion it must use jazz harmonic content. if not then it's something else. prog would be classical based. There are a few groups who might be considered progressive fusion, but they are few and usually lean one way more than the other so I would define them on their stronger abilities rather than their weaker ones
The break at 4:24 is as about as good as prog gets.
rabates123 6 months ago 10
Listen to that bass! That's just insane in all the good ways!
moarata 8 months ago 3