Calvinism vs. Arminianism - A Solution

This is a repost of an earlier video. It has been revised for accuracy.

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[741rjohnson]

The logic of universalism:If God desires the salvation of everyone(Arminian Theology; 1Timothy2:3-4)and he has the power to accomplish his desires(Calvinist Theology;Isaiah55:11)then he will save everyone. Obviously the Church doesn't agree with this,but I hope you see the logic in it. One thing the Church should consider is this--The combination of the two theologies gets you universalism plain and simple.

[preacherman777]

@741rjohnson Except of course that both theologies teach judgment and eternal Hell for them that don't believe. Besides, one has to accept the Calvinist notion that God will force people to be saved, which I for one, based on very Biblical grounds, completely reject. God gave man the free will to choose life or death. The Bible is very clear about that.

[741rjohnson]

@preacherman777God does not{force men}to himself.He will{draw all men}to himself through his Love and Grace expressed in the power of the Cross(John12:32).Once man has been delivered from his bondage to corruption,everyone will willingly choose God(Romans8:21-22Isaiah45:23;P­hilippians2:10-11).Did God force you to repent?No.Did you make a decision to repent?Yes.But what{lead}you to make that decision? It was God's goodness(Romans2:4).He will do the same for everyone(1Cor15:22-23)

[preacherman777]

@741rjohnson You are practicing a theological no no, which we like to call reductionism in order to try and establish your theology. You're upholding certain scriptures outside of their proper context and understanding to use against other scriptures that clearly teach an opposing doctrine. Namely the fact there will be people who are condemned eternally. I know the Bible way to well, for you to convince me ignore the parts of it that don't fit your belief system.

[741rjohnson]

@preacherman777 You are correct. We should always use scriptures in their proper context.But it isn't about context, it's about interpretation.Take for instance 1Timothy2:3-4;Isaiah55:11,and Matthew25:46. Each theological system whether it be Arminian,Calvinist or Universalist will interpret these scriptures and any scripture according to their belief system. And let me be clear:although I may disagree with your comments,they are thought provoking and logical. God Bless.

[preacherman777]

@741rjohnson Well, then, let's agree to disagree. If you are convinced by your beliefs, I'm ok with that and if I am convinced by mine, I hope you can be ok with that. Besides, if your beliefs are true, then I have nothing to worry about if I am wrong now do I?

[Mcfirefly2]

@741rjohnson The man himself makes the decisions; they are influenced somewhat by external forces but are made by the man or woman who is the free moral agent held responsible by God, to exactly the extent that it is true, no more, no less.

[uswestons]

@preacherman777 "very clear" - support with text.

[uswestons]

"Latest Controversies" ... hahaha... latest? only a few hundred years old, huh?

[911dispatcher]

@theembracedofgod If your honesty was even half the size of your pride, you'd admit you're completely unqualified to do anything but parrot men.

Hardly are you a worthy opponent on any debate.

Yet, that's not a challenge to debate. As I said before, I don't debate. I preach the truth. You don't like it and are unable to deal with it, so you hide and throw irrelevant jabs.

I hope you mature.

[JackMWolfe]

@rjohnson More gibberish. If someone wants to travel to Europe from the US they have the freedom to choose between flying or sailing but they don't have the freedom to walk - man's free will decisions are always limited or restricted by many factors. Your arguments aren't just juvenile, they're asinine - but that's what these false doctrines do to their adherents, makes bufoons out of them. I don't have time for your delusions - God has no delight in witless fools & neither do I.

[741rjohnson]

@JackMWolfe How can man's will be free and restricted at the same time.Free and restricted have opposite meanings.Man's will can't be both.You're not using common sense.Man has the ability to make choices but those choices are influenced and caused by internal and external forces therefore not free.

[JackMWolfe]

@rjohnson Ridiculous, ignorant comments. 1st, Arminians acknowledge man's free will has a lot of restrictions - man can't flap his arms & fly whenever he wants & it's influenced in many directions - but man still has the capacity to choose between right & wrong, otherwise there's no basis for God to judge them. 2nd, AGAIN: being "directed" by God does NOT mean being FORCED by God. 3rd, your problem is you have a fixed agenda & you have no intention to let the truth or reality get in the way.

[741rjohnson]

@JackMWolfe you're proving my point.The biblical definition of man's will says that man's will is not autonomous(free),but directed by God(Pr16:9).The arminian definition of man's will says that man's will is free from any direction, or influence.The arminian definition of man's will contradicts the biblical definition of man's will. The arminian definition of free will is a contradiction in terms. Restrictive free will is like square circles.

[JackMWolfe]

@rjohnson 1st, I've given you scriptures but you reject them for your fantasy. 2nd, biblical free will doesn't proclaim man is autonomous but that he can make choices between right & wrong when God calls him 3rd, Pr16:9 says God "directs" man's steps not "forces" them. 4th, Peter's denial was based on his unrepentant rebellion against Christ's intention of going to the cross (Mt16:22) - the circumstances just exposed it. 5th, your false gospel is condemned with an eternal curse by Gal1:7-9

[741rjohnson]

@JackMWolfe You're not using scripture to back up your comments.You can't because eternal death and free will are not biblical doctrines: Free will--The power of{directing our actions}without influence; God's Will--"A man's heart deviseth his way:but the Lord{directs his steps}."Proverbs16:9. We have the ability to make choices,but choices are influenced by circumstances beyond our control. Peter didn't want to deny Jesus but something influenced his will---The Roman Legions.