Physical will

Physical leads on will

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[socrates856]

Frankly to me that debate really is one of two false choices. "Free will" is ill-descriptive given what we know and "determinist" is also. Even a fully classically mechanical system can have extreme levels of unpredictability due to non-linear effects and unstable bifurcations. And QM of course just pushes that even further. But even if we admit indeterminancy into the mix I don't think "free" is clearly the right word. So to me this debate is just bound up in a wrong semantic game.

[pyrrho314]

@socrates856 : that's what I've been saying... about discussing will power instead of will freedom.

[esaman]

yay for research, but how could it possibly help your "free" will idea. What could it find to support it? I don't think that idea qualifies as a hypothesis or theory.

[pyrrho314]

@esaman : I don't have a free will idea of the kind you mean. I just want to know how it all works more than I know now. Informing me on how will works will help my idea of will be better constructed. I don't have a free will idea, I believe will is a real phenomenon, and so people think that.

[Qntkka]

Hey, Pyrrho! The conversaion has moved back into physical laws, functions, machinery...BUT, your opponents are not addressing the organic machinery, or how it works. The right and left hemispheres can function separately, or in cooperation with each other. Each hemisphere can display all of the traits of personality, though the neural pathways must be reworked to restore/emulate some cognitive functions normally designated to it's opposite. The Corpus Collosum connects the two, to become one.

[pyrrho314]

@Qntkka : the divisibility of consciousness is pretty fascinating and that's a big example. It seems to me that consciousness is made of subconsciousness, which is consciousness of the parts on their own scale.

[TekLok]

@Charlesdance Yeah I'm sure the Vatican will get their hands on the technology too, never need a new pope again, just a new operating system.

[Censeo]

cont... so with that in mind, with experiments it seems time duration between neurons and thoughts suggest that it is the physical that dictate the mind and not the mind that dictates the movement of neurons. But even knowing this, I have a hard time believing the mind has no impact at all. Why would something so vivid have no impact? How could it come about without evolutionary selection pressure, and why would merely neurons motivate discussion if meaning of a discussion is an epiphenomenon?

[Censeo]

Will is mental. It's the only comprehensive understanding of the concept. The mass of the brain is not mental but may perhaps produce mentality, and if so, some connotation of the word physical may be ascribed to mentality and also will. But I think that obscures it. If physical is everything, then the concept has no specific feature to distinguish it from non-physical. So I use physical for things with mass etc and mental for the mental, but bear in mind I'm no dualist. It's just practical.

[sausage4mash]

I shall look up anaesthesia and draw my conclusions

[thesoundengine]

What does the Biblè™ say about this?

[enfomy]

@Darkwolverine06 I believe the 'self' must be a real object, in as far as we are separate brain/minds. For it is clear that I can not use my 'will' to directly control the environment or others, unlike my own body which I do directly influence, or at least have the feeling of control. And others can't cause me to move unless through physical force or persuasion. But i know the 'self' is far more complicating than that.

[enfomy]

Perhaps 'will' is the reactions or responses in biological creatures that are dependent on physical circumstances and understanding. I'm still unsure what 'will power' is. The brain is always active unless it's dead. By 'will power' do u mean that part or process of one's brain that is active when one uses 'will'?