Morrissey - Meat Is Murder

Summer Sonic 2002

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[DanielEM8989]

If your not going to go vegan etleast admit that ignorance is no longer your excuse and that you dont give a shit about harming yourself and other living things. I've only been vegan for a short while, i used to argue the same arguments, put some time into researching this, if your a thinking man or woman, you will soon see the logic in not eating animal based products.

[vwg12345]

@meinLiebsterFeind vegans aren't saying they have zero impact on other living things, but they commit a whoooooole lot less cruelty than people who eat animal products

[ThalamusMinimus]

Everyone has a right to their own opinions (even if they refuse to even try soy-meats: i.e. willfully-ignorant opinion), but no right to dream up false "facts":

Meat IS eaten to "excess" (i.e. health impacts) by nearly all Western omnivores: that's not a matter of opinion or what anyone "thinks"--it's THOROUGHLY proven fact, we have firm data until an omni's diet is >90% vegan foods.

I say this as a bioscience researcher, RE: this part (health/LONGEVITY) of @andate's post.

[andatealatrucha]

@ThalamusMinimus

ty but I still preffer to eat steak, hot dogs, hamburgers, eggs for breakfast, and enjoy many other pleasures as eating at friends houses, eating turkey at christmas, recive protein supplements at a hospital if I had an accident or a severe sickness, etc..

Besides I still think eating meat is healthy and not questionable at all, unless in excess of course, as everything in this world.

[ThalamusMinimus]

@andatealatrucha

Yes most vegans who I know = middle class, or lower... but what price ya wanna put on extra years of life (on average)? and staying mentally alert (e.g.lower Alzheimer's rates) & physical to ENJOY more of the yrs: Even skinny omni's were shown in 1 study I know of to die earlier (less early than "junk-tarians," but still).

Where u live? Then I probably can suggest some cheaper & good soyfoods or even restaurants: I've lived all over & even mailorder some of it.

[ThalamusMinimus]

@andate

Search for "Argumentum ad Naturam": what's natural isn't always ideal (for you, the animal & your environment).

Some animals eat others, but those we're closest to (apes, esp bonobos), most ape species eat ONLY insects (e.g. 1% of gorilla diet & all else is vegan): but I don't care if apes means that is "natural" for us too; care about scientific-proven results.

Hablaré en espanol ¡sí! (aminoacido :) ) ...si hacemos Mensajes Privadas, pero aqui tal vez otros quieran leer

[andatealatrucha]

@ThalamusMinimus

Don't you think it's natural to eat an animal? animal do it all the time. They have the enzymes to benefit from food, the just go and eat it.

PS: in my native language "Amino Acid" is used in one word, im used to read it that way. Thats why I used it as one word.

[andatealatrucha]

@ThalamusMinimus

Oh, nice to know. Yet I should read the documents to know the real depht and extent of the information, but I probably wont.

It does sound expensive, can regular mid-class people go vegan?

About the omnivorous deficiencies I think it is because regular people have terrible dietary habits. Junk food, too much bread, to much condiments. Each day we have younger diabetics. It's not a thing of being vegetarian or not. You just need a balanced diet, with or without meat in it.

[ThalamusMinimus]

@andatealatrucha

The world's largest group of dietitians says vegans get all IAA's, just google for "ADA Position Paper Vegetarian Diets". They also note vegans live longer than average & stay healthier ntill an older age. MOST omnivorous Westerners have deficiencies & multivitamin is suggested no matter your diet.

Supplements (incl protein powders) come from plants too. Others (not protein powders) are assembled atom-by-atom, come from bacteria, etc.

P.S. Amino acid is 2 words.

[itsthetwaggs123]

This song is right. Meat IS murder. Animals shouldn't have to die for humans. I am vegetarian.

[andatealatrucha]

Not getting all the indispensable aminoacids from a diet sounds not physiological to me. A COMPLETE nutrition is a crucial matter for every form of life.. Its so obvious it shouldnt even had to be pointed. I dont know where vegans get ALL of the essential aminoacids needed in a diet if they dont eat chicken, red meat, fish or eggs. And if they arent getting them, it is clearly wrong.

Nutritional supplements come from animal products, so I don't think they fit the vegan logic.

How do you do it?