Faith in Atheism and Wall of Nonbelief

A continued discussion with TheLiberalChristian

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[ignatei]

Everything in universe can be modeled by mathematical models- differential equations, dynamical systems, statistical models etc, and yet these models can never be as accurate! Im not necessarily an intelligent design advocate, but based on science, I personally tend to believe that irreducibly complex systems are strong evidence of a purposeful, intentional design by an intelligent agent.

[notNECESSARILYgod]

If there was an instance of irreducible complexity then it would be evidence for an intelligent designer. However, because there is no known incidence of this complexity we don't have any such evidence.

[ThePeacefulAtheist]

then you sir are an idiot, and maybe you should read up on physics..you dont need faith cause it can be proven that the universe is expanding. Just becuase you choose to not look at the evidence, doesnt mean it isnt a fact.

[ignatei]

Species can have a slight change to adapt to their environment thats a fact but its different from human evolution. The reason the majority of scientific communities in USA accept evolution is firstly due to political reasons and also because intelligent design is not science and it cannot be treated as such.

[ignatei]

No matter how many times I break a glass cup with a hammer, it wont break into exactly 10 equal pieces. Similarly, a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard can by no chance assemble a Mercedes Benz out of the junk materials in there. I dont put too much faith in the idea of big bang.

[GuyGuysly]

Faith isn't reason. It's the absence of reasoning.

[MePaulTube]

In the case of faith maybe you are looking for evidence and proof because you see God as a concept or argument. Maybe answers do not have to be proven but shown. The christian theist says God exists and is a person. Maybe you should temporarily suspend your disbelief and go right to the source and sincerely, simply ask God: "God, please show me you exist."