4.IAKF World Cup Cairo 1983: Japan vs Germany

This video shows how incompetent referees can spoil the exciting finals of the team kumite competition. Please watch carefully the Dietl-Yamamoto match!

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[BelloBudo007]

I think I actually know that tall German who fought last (against Yahara) from my competition days. Dieter I think. The problem is that the film is clear enough to say for certain who was first or exactly what happened. However general impression is the Germans looked to have scored a couple of times and the judges were more interested in jogai (leaving the court) than the action that preceded it. To be fair I thought Kagawa scored and was denied, so it worked both ways.

[BelloBudo007]

@ndileonardo - I think you are right on the money. Westerners often make the mistake of 'dancing to the Japanese tune', especially with distance (ma-ai). The KUGB under Andy Sherry appears to have modified karate to suit their bodies and have produced formidable fighters over the years. Another guy to Google and look at is Richard Hesleton from JKA Japan. IMHO once he cottons onto fighting at longer range & using techniques the Japanese are not too familiar with then he will become champion.

[BelloBudo007]

@deadguy29 - The Japanese organisations and masters get paid very well to teach to the best of their ability (and I presume they do that), yet we never ever actually seem good enough in their eyes to 'graduate' from school. I've seen time & time again westerners having to kow tow to quite junior Japanese teachers (who were children when I started studying karate), and I for one have had enough. As long as westerners accept this brainwashing practice, the Japanese will keep on doing it.

[deadguy29]

@dbearTO ah, come on! the guy that swept Imamura should've been awarded an ippon...instead, the ref gave Imamura a waza-ari for throwing a half-assed punch while landing on his ass. Don't get me wrong, I admire many Japanese Instructors (including my own, of course), but there are many examples of judging favoring the Japanese in Youtube...

[deadguy29]

@ndileonardo It's a real shame that the leaders of most Japanese organizations never took notice that the "gaijins" under their supervision will eventually grow up and mature to a point where they'd have to be considered equals.I'm talking about people that started training in the 1960s and 70s that were relegated to minor roles within those organizations, even after all their years of training were still considered not capable of being JKA representatives and head instructors of their countries

[ndileonardo]

Bad sportsmanship on behalf of the Japanese as well, encroaching beyond the line before the center judge gives the order to begin. If the Germans were wise they'd just charge the smaller Japanese. instead, the hang back, play defense. I never understood that. The Japanese teach Europeans and Americans to be hesitant, pensive and defensive; however they teach each other to go on the offensive. GET A CLUE!

[ndileonardo]

@deadguy29 I'd argue that the bias extended beyond that up through the 1990s. Personally, I believe this bias to be one of the unstated catalysts in the separation of the ISKF from the JKA. Just my personal opinion, but the bias goes well beyond the kumite ring. Clubs and countries were treated as second rate gayjin by the Japanese. Eventually, the rest of the world had had enough.

[dbearTO]

I see no biased judging here. The Japanese generally had better kime and chudan zuki almost always scores before jodan, by virtue of being a shorter straight punch. The Japs took this one fair and square.

[deadguy29]

I've seen worse in terms of judging and refereeing...although it's true there was a clear bias against non-japanese competitors in the 70s and early 80s.

[kibaloboferoz]

Dosen't seem that bad looks like is been judge fairlly obviously the german team has an advantage in weight and reach but lack proficiency and kime in technique.Then again this are JKA rules and is also pre-90's when the WKF started to get better organized.Again this is JKA or JKF a whole different animal