Did Marlowe Die at Deptford in 1593? Part 2

http://www.rosbarber.com/research/ The evidence for Marlowe's death in Deptford 1593 is not clear-cut. Second part in an analysis of the key pieces of evidence and whether the best supported hypothesis is brawl, assassination or escape. Ros Barber is the first person in the world to complete a PhD on the Marlowe theory of Shakespeare authorship.

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[axelfalk1]

Shakespeare wrote Marlowe as cover for a Govt. official too busy for writing; Marlowe succumbed to plague in the Low Countries in 1592; the disappearance of a senior courier was embarrassing for Walsingham who faked Marlowe's life for a further year until the 'official' account of Marlowe's demise was issued. Shakespeare wrote the story of the tavern brawl as well: the 3 'witnesses' are obviously proto-types of Pistol, Bardolph and Nym

[MarloweAsShakespeare]

@axelfalk1 Theories are great fun. Got any evidence?

[TheJazzper1970]

One "dot" these videos don't mention: Marlowe had previous for violent brawls which lead to death. A drunken brawl is not beyond the quarrelsome Marlowe.

[axelfalk1]

@norbertmfischer official version concocted by Walsingham, parts of 'witnesses' written by Shakespeare to cover up demise of govt courier Marlowe/Morley/Marley - all 'witnesses' so obviously Shakespearean characters. Shakespeare wrote Marlowe

[axelfalk1]

@norbertmfischer yes she is but neglects obvious - that Shakespeare wrote Marlowe, not other way about. Marlowe/Morley/Marley succumbed in Netherlands c. 1592 - govt courier, never playwright. Several Englishmen with a variety of pseudonyms succumbed in same place same period - Morley one of them. Why no theatrical tradition, gossip, anecdotage about Marlowe? because he was never involved with the theatre - complete invention by Walsingham, aided by Shakespeare

[axelfalk1]

@hortonhcci but - 1) why no theatrical trad re Marlowe? 2) Marlowe/Morley not brilliant at Cambridge - but writes a series of plays after leaving, really? 3) 'portrait' of Marlowe/Morley obviously that of rich man, not poor scholar 4) long absences of Marlowe/Morley on courier detail in Low Countries 5) obvious falsity of inquest evidence - all written by Shakespeare - at behest of Walsingham - we know more about Shakespeare, and long theatrical trad - Shakespeare wrote Marlowe 

[hortonhcci]

Again--I don't get it. Why defend some bozo who is a complete unknown until about 1593, when "he" suddenly bursts on the scene as a guy likely to become "the premiere playwright of England"--when the acknowledged premiere playwright of England has only a few months prior been "killed" by his closest friends? Some things just tumble together. It is obvious that Marlowe is Shakespeare. Some things you just know are right as soon as you hear them. What I don't understand is the resistance.

[norbertmfischer]

A convincing single piece of direct written evidence may never be forthcoming - and even if it did, it would probably never persuade individuals fixed in their traditional beliefs (cf. religion). Also, if using Occams razor is 'selecting from among competing hypotheses the one that makes the fewest new assumptions' - then one could well argue that it is the 'official' version of events (as well as the murder conspiracy) that actually makes the most assumptions, not the escape proposition.

[norbertmfischer]

I believe Ros Barber is pursuing this investigation with academic rigour and that she would welcome specific evidence. As she clearly states, she is starting with an assumption that the official court record may have been contrived (this still happens nowadays in occasional police cover ups). Realising that we are comparing disparate theories she is simply weighing the evidence.

[axelfalk1]

pps also if Marlowe/Morley was a playwright why are there no actors reminiscences of him? actors are a chatty bunch and stories, anecdotes would have flowed had Marlowe been known to them; no stories at all about him: odd don't you think? 'Marlowe' the playwright a figment of Walsingham's imagination, his slender 'canon' the work of Mr W.S. the onlie begetter

[axelfalk1]

@daver8521 am interested primarily in English contacts with Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia in xvi-xvii centuries - not in Shakespeare theories; however, have noticed as historian that evidence for the existence of Marlowe/Morley/Marley not very good; claims made about him do not add up - certainly no evidence that he wrote 'Marlowe' canon - Shakespeare has better claim as author of 'Marlowe' plays, even portrait of Marlowe prob that of wealthy man, not poor Kent scholar

[daver8521]

@axelfalk1 I would suggest that you try to find a copy of Daryl Pinksen's "Marlowe's Ghost" or Sam Blumenfeld's "The Marlowe-Shakespeare Connection." There is not only real evidence, but compelling evidence, both from contemporary sources and from the works themselves, that suggests that Marlowe was the true author of the Shakespeare canon. Just try learning a little about the subject, and you will be surprised how convincing the Marlovian position is.