I'm a Heretic - Nestorianism

Nestor, Nestor, He's the bestor!

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[mlculwell]

Woman wonder,Yes the Nicean creed is on the same level as the Book of Mormon. Direct me to the scriptures where Jesus tells us to follow the Nicean Creed as truth? I am a Oneness Pentecostal and Believe Jesus is the One true God and Him only shall I serve.

[ShuriRyuKa]

@mlculwell My response to that would be, "Show me something in the book of Mormon that is not attested to in Scripture." And you would show me many things. I would then say, "Show me something in the Nicene creed, or apostles creed, or Athanasian creed that is not attested to in Scripture." And you could show me nothing. Are the creeds inspired? No! But they are beautiful statements of what Scripture does say.

[mlculwell]

@ShuriRyuKa The Creeds are on the same level as the Book of Mormon there is nothing you can say otherwise in defense of either of them! I am a Oneness Pentecostal also!

I have a question No trin. has been able to answer and it totally refutes trinity doctrine as False and establishes the Oneness of God as truth.

Why are you able to blasphem the Holy Ghost and not the son of God?(Matth.12:31-32) The answer is because you falsely invert son of God into God the son.

[ShuriRyuKa]

@mlculwell What is present in the creeds that is not attested to in Scripture? Regarding Matthew 12:31-32 - It is strange you would use that verse, when that verse clearly illustrates the persons of the Trinity. I would use that passage to refute the Oneness position! Under your position, to blaspheme the one would be to blaspheme the other since they are one and the same. I will address why it is differentiated in the next comment.

[ShuriRyuKa]

@ShuriRyuKa To blaspheme Jesus would be to reject his claims to be God. Paul did this prior to his conversion on the Damascus road. To blaspheme the Spirit means to reject His testimony regarding the gospel (think Heb 6:4-8). Had Paul rejected the Damascus experience, he would be blaspheming the Spirit. (I affirm that would not have been possible, but that's another debate.) Paul was regenerated, therefore his prior rejection of the claims of Jesus was forgiven. This illustrates Mt. 12:31-32.

[womanwonder10]

@ShuriRyuKa I do believe everything you've said here. I have believed this central truth as far back as I can remember. And I believe this was/is the work of the Holy Spirit. Thanks be to God, through Christ. What faiths (with-in Christianity) are Nestorians? Isn't non-denom one of them? Thank you.

[ShuriRyuKa]

@womanwonder10 Non-denominational Christianity runs a gambit of theological positions, but this would not (typically) be one of them. Nestorianism largely died out in the 7th and 8th centuries, although there are some Nestorian churches in Africa and the middle-east. Typically where it appears these days is through the well-intentioned teaching of those who have not studied church history, or the theological implications of their Christology.

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10 If it wasn't clear we believe that salvation is all by grace...and we recieve "grace for grace"(but only by the grace that was first recieved)....if this is followed we reach "salvation by sanctification"...We also would say that if one believed and then died immediatly he would have died in a state of grace, and would be saved once pruified by the fire that shall test each persons works. While one might suffer lost he shall still be saved, but only through fire.

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10 Thus we believe that if the grace that gave the faith is rejected, the grace that sustained and stregthen the faith will be lost and the faith will wither and die...thus we "see how a person is justifed by works(of GODs grace) and not by faith alone(which is but one work of GODs grace"...well I think that is a start on how we believe if you have anything to say about this of wish to disagree or respond I would really love to discuss it.

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10...we believe that Grace gives faith, but that grace does not stop there.We believe that the grace of GOD will move one to the works of mercy and following all of GODs commands. We also believe that humans have a free will to choose to reject the grace of GOD, the grace may push and strengthen one greatly( and that nothing good can be dun without it) but it may not do so in a way that completely removes our free will.

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10 I can see you are very kind hearted from your comments and not over judgmental, I thank you for that.

I would like to discuss the issue of justification by faith...the Catholic church teaches that faith initially justifies(mainly becaues it is the first work of the grace of GOD) but that faith without the support of continuing grace that gave the faith withers and dies. As it is written "faith without works is dead"

[womanwonder10]

@gtepp031387 Iwas running out of space and I pared-down all I could on characters! Anyway, I was trying to say that if you really want2know what I believe(I don't know all of what you believe,either--but I got a crash-course by listening/reading the Catholics defending their faith against that Calvinist&that Jehovah's Witness on that pg.)We have places of agreement.Checkout that pastor(he's kinda wired--caffeine?),he is very kind+humble like a Christian should be+as you all were on that page.pax

[womanwonder10]

@gtepp031387 I see what you guys go through on that one page(I will not repeat it's name on here).I am solid in my Lutheranism(check out/type in- Revfiskj -he's on Youtube).But you will not,despite our theological differences,see me calling Catholics names.I hate that!! It gets me upset how some are so self-righteous.Pharisee-like condemnation!Disgusting! As a Lutheran,I know it's wrong2bash a fellow believer in Christ's mercy.I have said things2 pompous,sanctimonious ppl,but I TRY2B kind2All.

[womanwonder10]

@gtepp031387 Well, we have some things in common. I think the differences, mainly, are justification by faith, prayer only to God( Father, Son, and, yes, Holy Spirit), our Holy Communion/Eucharist views are somewhat different, and we don't believe in purgatory..it hasn't changed from Luther's day. And no one likes us--the other protestants disagree, and the Catholics,too, disagree with us.So we are on our own. But I am solid in my faith as I see your are in yours.But we see you as Christians2.

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10 GOD bless you as well! I took a little break myself I was getting to frusterated and thus getting away from my focus on Christ.

I would like very much to discuss, from what I understand you are a Lutheran right? Our churches have had some very good talks of late and I hope to see once again full and complete union, I think the main problem between our two respected church is the authority of the sucessore of Peter...though I am not sure what your take is?

[womanwonder10]

@gtepp031387 I did not forget about you and still would like to have non-confrontational talks. I never wanted to be a fighter in the first place, so don't think that about me. I know you get flack from others. I think some of them need to come down from their high-horse. Just been extremely busy. We will talk again when we both have time. Take care and God be with you!!

[gtepp031387]

@womanwonder10 As far as the last stament(the different church thing) the words of St paul allways ring to me "And some out of contention preach Christ not sincerely.... But what then? So that by all means, whether by occasion, or by truth, Christ be preached: in this also I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice" ...as long as Christ is being preached I rejoice, even in a "incorrect" Christ as I believe the holy spirit will lead the pure of heart even though taught incorrectly.