Determinism vs Free Will (2/2)

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"Determinism vs Free Will (Part 2/2)" is a clip from The Atheist Experience #616, "The Argument from Game Design.", with Russell Glasser and Jeff Dee : http://blip.tv/file/2442068

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[shawndimery]

I feel exactly the same as this caller, i have thought this for a while, So this is determinism?

[tempemonkey2323]

Dee really isn't as smart as he thinks he is... Especially with this issue... I wish he would go away from this scene actually..... You need to rehabilitate people and take them out of society even if they are determined but.... They are not MORALLY responsible because they could not have done otherwise....

The non prophets really did a shitty job with the issue as well... I would love to debate Dee concerning this issue... "Freedom evolves" by Dennet is bullshit

[mahmoudyzadeh]

Deep, deep down of course there's no free will, but at higher(?) levels we do have free will. Does God have free-will? Is it possible to conceive of a being with total free will? Presonally I don;t think so (and I don;t believe in God BTW)

[mystersamuel]

Isn't telling someone to read a certain book an appeal to authority and/or laziness or not knowing good points?

[George4943]

Of course @ 2:30 I am a wind-up toy. Well quite a bit more complicated; actually a sophisticated robot. As it happens a biological robot. I have a biological hardware system called my "body." I have a biological software that realizes the self-concept. And makes plans about that self-concept. And takes steps to realize those plans. All quite deterministically. The programs of others, although deterministic too, often surprise.

[pickupthePWN]

poor guy on the right

[pompousprick]

I guess Jeff had no choice in being a complete fucking dick.

[niggaids]

If determinism is true how do we know we're being "logical?" If the only one we have to judge is ourselves, that's already in question?

[OutOfTheBoxThinker]

To quote Terry Pratchett's Hogfather : "take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder, and sieve it through the finest sieve, and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy. And yet, you try to act as if there is some ideal order in the world. As if there is some, some rightness in the universe, by which it may be judged. [...] You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?" We make up concepts like free will or justice to makes sense of life !!

[OutOfTheBoxThinker]

The called makes perfect sense. Our brains operate according to a deterministic patterns and our choices are determined by the operation of our brains. In that sense, our choices are determined and not free. However, to make sense of reality and prevent chaos we must apply the illusion of free will in our daily lives.

[deathmetalterrorist]

at 1:38 the guy on the right just got mind fucked