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[S7VIIN]

Jesse,

As an Arminian I don't believe I can lose my salvation,

not all Arminians believe that. As an Arminian I don't believe I can "live perfect," I don't believe in Christian Perfection. And as for Free-Will, man isn't born with an innate Free-Will, God has to free your

will since men are born Totally Depraved, Both Wesley and Arminius held to it. I don't think Pelagians are considered Arminian, but both are Synergistic. I personally think Pelagianism isn't sound but that's off-topic.

[OpenAirOutreach]

My theology isn't traditional arminianism, but neither is yours. I certainly have agreements with both Pelagians and Arminians.

[S7VIIN]

HotepYakub,

Here's the verse starting from verse 22:

22 And he said, While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, Who can tell whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? 23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. (NKJV)

David was a believer, and would have gone to Heaven, the infant went somewhere after he died, after one dies he is judged (Hebrews 9:27). Both went to Heaven.

[HotepYakub]

That's an interesting statement, there, Seven. I'll have to read up on that one. And Paquita there might find that interesting.

[S7VIIN]

Paquitita1488,

How in the world did you arrive to that conclusion from reading my comment? Maybe you didn't, you possibly couldn't have!

It seems to me that you're trying to debate. I don't believe that infants go to Hell, this is demonstrated by the statement king David made after his son died, which more than implies that his infant child went to Heaven 2 Samuel 12:23.

-Seven

[Paquitita1488]

So you believe that infants go to hell?

[S7VIIN]

Jesse,

Arminius never denied the first and last points of the T.U.L.I.P. I don't see how my Arminianism isn't traditional. Anyway, I do enjoy your sermons, so I just want you to be aware that I'm not against your ministry even though we may have disagreements.

By the way, if you haven't, you should check out the website: The Society of Evangelical Arminians, there are some good resources you might like coming from the Free Will Theist side.

-Seven

[bibletheology]

Yes I am not a tradition Armenian for sure. My theology is "Moral Government" and "Open Theism". Finney taught moral government and Gordon Olson merged it with the open view.

[psychoelf000]

I probably wouldn't describe myself as Armenian if I were you. Armenians are just Calvinist-lights and believe in exhaustive foreknowledge (nonsensically combined with free-will).