Massacre of Glencoe
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Even if there were any individual Englishmen who happened to find themselves in a Scottish regiment prior to the union - that along with the presence of one other geriatric Englishman hardly makes it an English enterprise" We really should be grown up enough to face our own past and not try to blame every dastardly deed on England and the English.
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were all Highlanders whilst others seem to suggest they were a mixture of Lowlanders and Highlanders. As of course Argyll borders the Lowlands it is very possible they were mixed. The only mention I can find of any Englishman being involved is Hill the aged governer of Fort William - who knew what was going on and was involved - but was procrastinating so much that Livingstone dished out the order to actually carry out the deed he bypassed Hill and gave it straight to his subordinate Hamilton.
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@upyerkilt123 I've read up more on what I have on the subject and it seems clear that the soldiers used were two companies of the Duke of Argyll's regiment (ie Scots) one led by Capt Robert Campbell of Glenlyon and the other by Capt Thomas Drummond (both Scots) and the orders were dished out by senior Scots within the Scottish govt of the day. What I didn't realise is how few Campbells were in the rank and file. Seemingly only about 10%. Then it gets confusing. Some historians seem to say they
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@upyerkilt123 "it was a british king" Eh no it wasn't. Despite what the 17thC Scottish and English monarchs would have liked the Kingdom of Great Britain wasn't actually created until 1707. The first article of union specifically wound up the Scottish and English kingdoms and created a new kingdom called Great Britain. The first monarch of GB was Queen Anne (Stuart) the sister of William's wife Mary, and the daughter of the deposed James VII of Scotland & II of England.
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@upyerkilt123 I've done plenty of research on scottish history thanks. The Glencoe Massacre was organised by the Scottish govt and the forces used were about 130 or so soldiers from the Argyl Regiment most of whom were Campbells. As far as I know there were no Englishmen involved in the planning of the murder - and if there was the odd individual amongst the ordinary troops used who happened to be English (and have you any proof of that?) it hardly condemns a whole nation! William signed the
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papers but he wasn't English! Yes he was the new King in England too but he signed in his capacity as King of Scotland - ie part of the Scottish govt. It was pre-union! He was also King of Ireland so it would make as much sense to blame them for it too. Likewise prior to James being dethroned by the Scottish govt he'd waged terror on the Presbyterians. He was also King of England but it wasn't the English who oppresses Presbyterian Scots at that period it was the Restoration regime in Scotland.
gaconnochie 9 months ago
@gaconnochie
books i have read and documentries on tv say there were english soldiers there, led by the campbell of glen lyon. I do not blame the english for everything like lots do. I know the so called noblemen of scotland have more to blame than the english .
But that was a long time ago and I do not hate the english for what happened in the past, I just hate their football fans, rugby fans and anything to do with sports fans.
upyerkilt123 9 months ago
re upyerkilt's comment.....there was no English involvement in Glencoe. Sure the King of Scotland was also the King of England but that is by the by. The operation which resulted in the massacre was planned by the Scottish govt and carried out by Scottish troops! Sometimes we have to grow up, face our own demons, and stop blaming the English for everything!
gaconnochie 9 months ago
@gaconnochie
i think if you do a small bit of research you will find there were english there. it was led by a scotsman but he also had english soldiers there and it was the king of england that signed the papers for this to go ahead. So yes I will continue to blame the english for this.
and it was not the king of scotland was also the king of england it was a british king, the king billy that all those bigoted rangers fans keeps ranting about, it was him that murdered the scots
upyerkilt123 9 months ago
This is another new one for me and last of your vids I'm watching today, take it that this is a Scottish Ballad.
James
bedoboy 3 years ago
hi james,
it is indeed, it is about how the MacDonalds gave an english army led by Campbell of Glen Lyon shelter and food etc , then the soldiers got word to kill them all in 1692.
upyerkilt123 3 years ago