IGN Rewind Theater: G.I. Joe: Rise of Cobra

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[BananaSandwich3000]

psufool, go DO something you like, you're wasting your time bashing on a movie that you've already seen and hated on a 'rewind trailer' of said movie on Youtube, that's sad.

The movie, of course will have people who enjoyed it, it's about as good as The Mummy anyways.

[conmann97]

This was not better than avatar

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Duke didn't even exist in the comics until issue#22, after the cartoon came out that same year, mostly as an obligation to fit the character in, even though he had a lesser role and had no relationsihp with Scarlett. Don't even get me started on that Scarlett/Ripcord thing from the movie. And that whole Duke/Baroness plotline was stolen from the Snake Eyes trilogy from the comics as well. I apologize for seeming argumentative, but the comics should get their due.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Snake Eyes and Scarlett's relationship in the comics were also ignored in the cartoons and the movie. Snake Eyes' muteness was an issue for Sunbow and Hasbro as well, and decided to make it seem like Duke was her love interest in the cartoon, even though they have no backstory like she and Snake Eyes have in the comics. Hama always said that he felt the character of Duke was forced on him, while Scarlett and Snake Eyes were permanent residents of his creative imagination.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Perhaps you'd like to know why Duke was the team leader in the cartoon when he didn't originally exist in either the comics OR the action figure line? Hasbro had issues with Hawk's codename, feeling that it was too "politically charged" and Sunbow created the more famliy-friendly Duke for the cartoon, who was essentially a clone of Hawk, only a lower rank. Hama said that was silly because a 1st Sgt. can't be the leader, only the commanding officer can, and that's Hawk.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Perhaps you'd like to know about the fued in the 80's between Marvel Productions(which co-produced the cartoon) and Marvel Comics, and how the head of Marvel Productions hated comics and even refused to have Spider-Man as their logo as Marvel Comics did. According to Shooter, Marvel Productions were willing to have Sunbow elbow their way between Marvel Comics and the cartoon, yet Sunbow created nothing on their own, they only rearranged everything Hama created.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Like I said, if you didn't follow the first time -- the Marvel comic came FIRST and ran for 12 years from 1982 to 1994; the cartoon came afterwards, lasted only two seasons before being cancelled in 1987, and barely followed the comics. Hasbro had no story to begin with, just peices of plastic. I can't believe you would even mention Sigma Six, since that came out more than a decade later and is generally the least-liked cartoon. Longtime fans like me get defensive about this.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 I'm sorry to disagree with you, but the comics came first in 1982, and everything else was based off of them. Sigma Six came out long after and was a dumg anime-inspired version. Read Marvel Comics' writer Jim Shooter's blog about G.I. Joe and Transformers and you'll read how he says that Sunbow(the company that did the first cartoon) "didn't create or contribute anything." You CAN follow Hama's storyline alone because he created G.I. Joe. Hasbro only created plastic toys.

[SupremeCommander85]

@44excalibur G.I. Joe was not exclusively a Marvel comic, it was a cartoon and toyline as well. And you can't follow Larry Hama's storyline alone because not only were there many other versions of G.I. Joe to pull from such as Sigma 6, no other comic-based adaptation has followed the storyline of it's comics exactly unless it was a single graphic novel or mini-series.

[SupremeCommander85]

@44excalibur No, it's not. The Batman comics have and will always be the only material filmmakers can pull from, G.I. Joe never started out as a comic book and as such, the other media (comics and cartoons) that showcased the stories that surrounded the toyline were used.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 Forgive me for sounding a little harsh, but G.I. Joe suffers from the worst comics-to-screen translation of nearly any Marvel comic in history, especially when it comes to the treatment of Snake Eyes' storyline. They always elimiate his backstory, whore Scarlett out to some grunt, and diminish Snake Eyes and th story into a cartoon. That's why they should follow Larry Hama's storyline faithfully so they can make a good movie. He's only a Vietnam veteran, for Pete's sake.

[44excalibur]

@SupremeCommander85 It started as a toyline, but without Hama there would be no story. Hama wasn't a consultant; he was there to do a cameo and had very little input other than warning them against having Snake Eyes talk at the end. Where is Snake Eyes and Scarlett's relationship? Since when did he take a vow of silence? Why does Duke have Snake Eyes' backstory? The movie got everything wrong. And mixing the comic with the cartoon is like mixing The Dark Knight with the 60's Batman TV series.