DOES GOD EXIST? William Lane Craig vs Antony Flew (HQ) 1/11

A debate before 4,000 students at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, on the 50th anniversary of the famous Russell-Copleston BCC radio debate, re-examining the arguments for and against the existence of God

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[blarbymcblarbston]

@ReaderDan Antony Flew's book There is a God on pg. 157 "As I have said more than once, no other religion enjoys anything like the combination of a charismatic figure like Jesus and a first-class intellectual like St. Paul. If you're wanting omnipotence to set up a religion, it seems to me that this is the one to beat!" He also said on pg. 185 "I think Christian religion is the one religion that most clearly deserves to be honored.." so Yes he is a fan of Christianity not follower "yet" but fan

[shumble32]

@blarbymcblarbston - ah yes! St. Paul - the L.Ron.Hubbard of his time

[NickLiang]

None of what he said is evidence to demonstrate the existence of God, it still remains ana ssumption. It is not upto us to disapprove God's existence but upto you to prove his existence, it would be like me saying i created the universe.

[Eirikofs]

Science has no explanation on whether the universe had a cause or beginning. All we know is that matter and energy is constant. Either there has always been a material universe, or there were few particles with enormous power. Trying to convince me that what exists must have not existed once doesn't really impress me.

[jinjo22]

@jinjo22 As such, I believe that all kinds of debate should essentially be about whether a certain deduction about "the outside" is a rationally obtained one based on what we are able to perceive on "the inside". For me, it is not rational hitherto to come to such an exclusive and explicit conclusion of a Christian God or a deity figure for that matter.

[jinjo22]

@SaerdnaOoOoo Actually, that is something that I often find myself thinking about too. Everything that we perceive to be, is it really what it seem to be? However I believe that these metaphysical subjects are something that is really difficult to solve for humanity. I like to use the analogy of a person trapped in a closed box. He will not be able to know what is exactly outside. He can only make deductions about what is outside from what he is able to know from the inside.

[SaerdnaOoOoo]

@jinjo22 But what if time doesn't really exist but is a delusion. Space, (the infinite blank) and operation which also might only be. Somehing also causes thoughts. Did god not think before he made the universe or does not causes of thought need the element of time which I'm convined is a delusion? Delusion from perception of rearrangements of matter/operation of the universe associated with the callendar of a beat. A beat is arbitrary and devisions of the everything are concepts.

[Bla3kBrigade]

@jinjo22 I'm waiting. 

[Bla3kBrigade]

@jinjo22 For the sake of clarity can you please state Craigs EXACT argument on the comments so I can see exactly what you're trying to address here.

[jinjo22]

@Bla3kBrigade First of all I am NOT an atheist. I just happen to be someone who spots holes in logic and points them out. Secondly, infinity is not contradictory. The argument that Craig uses ABOUT infinity causes this contradiction in his argument which he did not address. And secondly, you are just basically re-phrasing what you said before, that infinity is applicable only in the supernatural. All that you have done now is to break down the concept of "supernatural" granularly.