People's Liberation Army Vs National Revolutionary Army (The Assembly)
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@powereater Major Factors for KMT defeat: Morale loss, Spies leaking out vital military plans, commanders unable to cooperate, Ammo depletion, KMT traitors purposely walking into ambushes and loss of many Nationalist elites in WW2 replaced by raw recruits. As you can see all these were major problems , it's hard to choose which harmed the KMT most. Morale contributed about 50% of the defeats , the rest were by all the other factors listed above.
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@RepublicofChina1000 actully , morale WAS the major problem. the defeat of the KMT rest upon 2 major factors, moral and lack of cooperation with the warlords. i place morale first due to the fact that it allowed the PLA to swell their numbers with defectors
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@SuicideSilenceLIFTED What final assault , which battle? Yes millions deserted.
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@RepublicofChina1000 The low morale resulted in a very high amount of deserting among the soldiers, we are talking about millions of deserting soldiers.
At Chiang's final assault he only had 50 000 soldiers at his disposal.
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@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well even if NRA had these troops within their ranks it wouldn't have done much as their numbers were too few. Well morale wasnt't the major problem but one of the major problems.
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@RepublicofChina1000 Yes, the morale was the major problem, no will no win.
Yea alot of them were wiped out, especially in the Battle of Nanking but the remnants of the german trained troops were reorganized into other National Revolutionary Army divisions who saw small action in '48 - '49
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@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well....you could look at it that way however it was morale as well. Weapons are one thing but you need the will to ujse it. In WW2 The KMT didn't have much ammo but morale led to their victories unlike Civil War where there morale dropped so rapid. Battle of Jinzhou, you mean civil war one ? All German trained units were said to have been wiped out in WW2, from what I heard.
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I assume that the KMT elite soldiers were the troopers who were drilled by german generals and armed with german weapons, for example the 423 soldier of the 88th division who defended the Sihang warehouse against thousands of japanese soldiers and caused them heavy casualties but who were later obliterated in the battle of Jinzhou
When the KMT actually had ammo, their operations proceeded with succes!
When they ran out, they couldn't use the modern US arms they recieved!
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@SuicideSilenceLIFTED They didn't lose air support well ....not all of it. However doing multiple occasions their air support couldn't be of use due to climate , enemy ground resistance or inability to coordinate attacks. As for US suporting China , Truman felt scared at the Nationalists rising power and was afraid of it challenging US. so he didn't supply them with ammo...hence the Arms Embargo.
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@SuicideSilenceLIFTED Well they didn't lose all their elites to the Japs. They still had the New 1st and 12th armies and other ones however they did lose more than 50% their elites though.After WW2 these elite armies first dealt winning blows to the PLA but as time went on without ammo, your army would be exhausted right and thats what happened . US Embargo made it impossible for them to obtain arms , so they were fighting with leftover weapons from WW2.
(cont) ...it was only in the late 80's that Taiwan began to approach even resembling a free democracy. For most decades of its existence it was a brutal police state. My grandfather was sentenced to death at the age of 18 (thankfully he survived) during the White Terror which saw gangsters and mafiosos employed by the KMT slaughter unionists and left wing activists.
It took many decades of unqualified economic aid from the US for the RoC to become decent - something China never had.
crazedmongoose03 4 months ago 18
Wow, I should have guessed any comment thread on a clip from this movie would be politically charged.
Let me just say a few things; I'm not exactly a CCP sympathiser - most of my family were heavily persecuted during the cultural revolution and my dad marched at Tiananmen Square.
HAVING SAID THAT, the "Mao killed 60 million" line is actually really disputable and from one questionable historical source. Furthermore, let's not pretend that the ROC and Taiwan was all fine and dandy.
crazedmongoose03 4 months ago 12