Faith Is Not Enough
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@Torq11 No generalizations here. Specifically, you've simply been dealing with an incorrect definition of faith, and how worldviews influence science. Neither I nor anyone I know is operating on a blind faith--from a Christian standpoint that simply isn't the biblical view. Specifically (and ironically) you seem to have completely missed Turek's main point: that uninformed faith is useless. Yet you keep going in circles implying faith is blind. Keep searching--but start listening.
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@bereantrb I wish you well too. Hopefully you don't make incorrect generalizations about everyone you communicate with. I've spent more time studying religion, not just Christianity, then most people I've seen. I plan to keep looking for truth, and to keep questioning those who claim things without it.
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@Torq11 naive: adjective; lacking in experience, judgement, or information.
Hopefully someday you will gain the knowledge necessary to comment on the things of which you speak. I wish you well in your endeavors.
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@bereantrb Science does not have "faith" that matter came from non-matter, they have a theory. They don't have all the answers, but instead of claiming an invisible being created everything, they actually try and find the real answers. Try and prove anything about the Bible without having to use the Bible as evidence itself. If not for the religious section, the Bible would be placed in the Fiction section in libraries.
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@1empathy It seems that evidence is not really your obstacle.
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@bereantrb what evidence? i've read the bible,quran,reasonable faith, gunning for god, mere christianity, is religion irrational, foundations of islam, understanding islam, guide to world religions and none provide evidence. They offer arguments for a deist god and then tack on christian/islamic/theistic dogma.
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@Torq11 (2 of 3) Jesus himself didn't just tell people "I'm the son of God," and let it sit there. He appealed to the Scriptures, appealed to the prophets, he taught & asked questions in a way that made them think carefully about what he was saying. The biblical idea of faith is best understood as "trust". There is nothing blind about it. Naturalist science relies on faith, too: faith that matter came from non-matter; life from non-life; etc. All without a shred of proof.
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@Torq11 (1 of 2) re:examples More than I could type here, but here are a couple:In Acts, the Bereans are considered "more noble" or "fair-minded" because they examined the Scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true. The Bible commends them for NOT taking Paul at face value, but checking up on him. Acts tells us repeatedly that Paul "reasoned" with people. In one of his letters he states bluntly: "test everything."
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@1empathy I guess that's the irony: there is a lot of very good evidence, it's just that those who are committed to a naturalist/atheistic worldview simply don't want to follow where the evidence points. Many of them say as much. I'm very comfortable allowing science to proceed--the truth will emerge eventually.
faith alone is lazy and false doctrine.
truthseek99 1 year ago 20
@Torq11 (cont'd) Specifically, your original "hot air" comment completely ignores the fact that this is a highlight video put together by someone else. Of course you don't hear his full argument! It's easy to take potshots at a straw man. I hope your search for truth is genuine--but so far it doesn't appear that way.
bereantrb 3 months ago 2