Bill Maher To Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison: The Qur'an Is A 'Hate Filled Holy Book

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Bill Maher To Muslim Rep. Keith Ellison: The Qur'an Is A 'Hate Filled Holy Book'

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[kirk10p99]

Your point being?

[Arthur Moore]

Those 'peaceful' passages illustrated here are rendered obsolete by the Islamic practice of abrogation. It happens so often that they call it a religion of peace and quote those EXACT passages, without telling you that they aren't valid anymore in Islam. Look it up

[johnpoczak]

Let Allah sort it out, Palin is correct

[kirk10p99]

cont'd...Modern law does permit a girl under 17 to be married, stipulating parental consent as a prerequisite. But such is usually always a prerequisite in religious law. Secularism permits eloping to Vegas and the like; such practices are shunned if not outright forbidden in religious law.

Religious law considers a girl who has reached puberty as a young adult who may marry if she so chooses. Puberty encompasses a wide range of ages, so the issue is not so much age but the person's maturity.

[kirk10p99]

It also comes down to the issue of definitions and changes in perceptions and attitudes. In the past, puberty was recognized as the threshold that separated childhood from adulthood; in fact it still is. However, in the past a post pubescent person was recognized as more of an adult than they are now and were thus allowed to do adult things such as become married and raise a family....

[kirk10p99]

Religious law does not permit sex outside of marriage. So the term 'age of consent' does not appear in religious law; there is only age of marriage. The system of marriage has its own safeguards to prevent the violation of a person's rights, since the bride and groom are not the only people involved.

Secularism permits fornication and that is why secularism needs to stipulate a 'high' age in a blanket attempt at safeguarding people's rights.

[kirk10p99]

My point is the law in the past was different than it is now. 100 years ago in the U.S. the law permitted a girl of 10 years of age to have sex, now it has a different stipulation i.e. 18. What accounts for this change of heart? Is it guesswork?

As a follow up, how is it justice to condemn a man for having sex with a girl a day before her 18th birthday? Does the law expect the girl to magically become mature over a 24 hr period?

[ZAHID ALI PALA]

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[kirk10p99]

I'm not saying you have to agree with me concerning any issue concerning morality. I'm saying that the issue of morality is relative when left to man's discretion. So the question will arise as to who's standard is better and for what reason is it better.

Furthermore I'm not asking you to blindly accept any religion on that basis, but rather to consider the possibility that the source that created mankind (i.e. God) would be in a better position to legislate.

[dwolfcoach]

This game whereby you claim to know things that no one can possibly know, like, "in the absence of an absolute standard for morality (mine)..." is just your way of saying I must agree w/ you. No freaking possible way. It is also a stretch to conclude that I have a problem w/ authority so therefore Allah and his plagiarized book of desert fables must be true. I am much happier w/ a secular, reasoned, argued, state being the "boss" than a bogus sky despot. If this tickles you, great. Leave me out

[arklat]

You're welcome!

[John Cullen]

Your point being that it's okay to have sex with a 9 year old girl, because people didn't lay down the law beforehand in the past?