Anarchist praises NH political wins

Sponsor: http://PledgeBank.com/Next1000 - Victories for liberty in the New Hampshire state house have some anti-political activists tipping their hat. More specifically, Mike Ruff here calls himself an Anarcho-Capitalist.

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[SamuelMoralesJr]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 he is actually educating you. If you think capitalism is a structure of "forced" hierarchy just like the State, you don't grasp what you are talking about. Hierarchy is essential. An expert on medicine is given credit as a person who knows medicine, thus he is a "natural" authority on the subject. Likewise, people's own values follow a path of hierarchy. A person wouldn't value a pencil as much as a well build, nice looking car.

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "The only way to achieve liberty is to abolish private property."

Where has that worked?

Plymouth? Half starved in the first two years.

Jamestown? 10% survived until the third wave of settlers gave up on communism and went back to private property.

Roanoke? All gone.

Lenin and Mao tried it to.

Did you think that communal property for the good of all was some kind of un-tried, new idea? Utopia has been tried, over and over, and the result is always the same: Starvation.

[SamuelMoralesJr]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 you don't seem to understand that property is a way to resolve disputes. There is always property, even in socialist, and communist circles, it's just the debate how property is distributed. If I own chopped lumber, I can decide to build a house, or furniture. Abolishing property means there is no organization, but another person can decide the use the wood for something else. It also doesn't guarantee you resources, because again, who decides goes to what, and whom?

[NoLongerFooled]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 Well said.

[wyomingliberty]

At least 14 FSPers are now state reps in NH, by my count :)



[SovereignCurtis]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 I'm aware of Mutualism, and would be willing to self-identify as such (but I prefer Agorist and Voluntaryist). Problem is, I dont view 'capitalism' in the same negative light as most. Its not black and white for me. As I mentioned above, I see times in which I think it 'best' for folks to organize however they see fit, even if that means a traditional hierarchical structure. I'm not saying on person should have undue influence/power.

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "authority is never *inherently* legitimate"

Indeed, except for one instance: My authority over myself is inherently legitimate. Yours, over you, etc.

Individual responsibility, individual liberty.

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Rulers can be anyone, including proprietors and capitalist bosses."

Incorrect.

Voluntary interaction is not "rule". Rulers specifically utilize coercion to force others to do their bidding.

If you object to the word "anarchy", how about autarchy? Self-rule?

They're exactly the same thing, each person rules themselves, and no other.

A capitalist boss cannot "rule" you, because you can always walk away.

[CurtHowland]

@juliaisafilmbuff123 "Capitalist bosses deny us our autonomy in the workplace."

Then don't work for them.

You have the ultimate autonomy, you can work for someone else or work for yourself.

As an employee, you voluntarily give up some of that precious autonomy in trade for that paycheck. The "capitalist" you decry is always the last person paid, after their employees, because they're contractually obligated to do so.

"I can't just quit my job..."

Yes, you can. It is always your choice.