Catholics Misunderstand Sola Fide

Catholics continue to accuse Protestants of antinomianism, as if we teach that faith alone implies that believers are not obliged to obey Gods moral law and abound in good works. If the Catholic charge were correct, it would be utterly fatal to Protestantism -- sola fide would be a false gospel! But what do Protestants really mean by sola fide, faith alone?

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[CrusaderLuis]

" Are you saved ! ? "

asks the anti-catholic heretic... A good & true Catholic Answer would be:

"I am redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, I trust in Him alone for my Salvation, and just as the Bible teaches in Philippians 2:12 I am working out

my Salvation in fear and trembling, knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me, and, with a hopeful heart & confidence, not a false assurance,

I do all this, as the Catholic Church has taught, unchanged from the time of Christ"

[CrusaderLuis]

"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works ? Can his faith save him ? If a brother or sister is ill-clad & in lack of daily food, &

one of you says to them, 'Go in peace, be warmed and filled', without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit ?

So faith by itself, if it has no works is dead.....

You see that a man is justified by works and not

by faith alone". ( James 2:14-17,24 )

[gtepp031387]

@JonTheJansenist The maronites never broke from communion with the bishop of Rome, so they are not converts by the way, they are an original eastern rite(Antiochian) Catholic church.

[gtepp031387]

@JonTheJansenist Marrige is a sacrement in both the EOC and the RCC by the way.

[gtepp031387]

@JonTheJansenist Uhmm ever heard of any of our eastern rites?...The maronites, the melekites?....We have thousands of married priest, only in our Latin rite is celibacy practised...we have probley a dozen eastern rites and one Latin rite.

Marriage is a sacrement, monks and priest are both holy orders which are a seperate sacrement.

[JonTheJansenist]

@gtepp031387 To my knowledge, unless something changed since 2007, the only members of the clergy who kept wives are converts from the Anglican, Swedish or Eastern Orthodox Churches. Furthermore, if marriage be a sacrament, then it contradicts that of monkish vows, which fall under the Holy Orders sacrament. Unfortunately one can not partake of all of God's blessed sacraments in Rome and are doomed to fall short, unless you have a Bull or Decree stating to the contrary.

[gtepp031387]

@JonTheJansenist No it does not reffer to a married man,(I was reffering to one being with the spirit of truth and one not) the Catholic church has many married priest, it is only in the latin rite where celibacy is practised. Marriage is one of sacrements, and we hold it in a very high light....I am sry but some use this passage in a very unorthodox way, I was just explaining the depth of this passage as in a whole with the rest of the scripture.

[JonTheJansenist]

@gtepp031387 This wasn't the point of my post, and I agree with the points that you've made. However, just as you would not want a man of the flesh preaching from the pulpit (if this refers to a man who is married and has children, this is a sad testimony of Rome's attitude towards the revelation of the institution of marriage), I don't want a bold heretic who conflates Mary with the Holy Trinity preaching from the pulpit, and badpanda84 got dangerously close to doing that.

[gtepp031387]

@JonTheJansenist For one this verse is dealing with matters inside the church, the church has allways affirmed that a woman can teach outside of the church, espeacially to other wemon and children. We see in the bible the office of deaconess, a practice that is still used in the eastern Christian churches to this day. For two I would not permit a man(of the flesh) to speak in the church either...only one in the spirit should speak and teach in the church.

[JonTheJansenist]

@badpanda84 After reading your posts here, I will retract the "hippie" remark, radical feminist would be the appropriate words to describe the nonsense I'm seeing out of you right now.

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Tim. 2:12)

[gtepp031387]

@badpanda84 If you looked at my post, though it was badly written I admit, I post nuns and monks in the same comma, meaning they each hold the same authority.