Full Debate - Animals Should Be Off The Menu; The St James Ethics & Wheeler Centre | CHN subtitles

Please join us at http://facebook.com/KindnessTrust | Do you eat meat? Did you know you are in the minority? Out of an audience of hundreds, 73.6% agreed meat should be off the menu - find out why, then ask yourself if you are making the right choice.

Intelligence Squared's 2012 series of debates kicks off with a look at the ethics of eating meat. Six speakers are divided into two teams for lively and insightful arguments for and against the proposition, 'Animals Should Be Off the Menu'.

Speaking for the proposition are Peter Singer, Philip Wollen and Veronica Ridge; against it, Adrian Richardson, Fiona Chambers and Bruce McGregor. Their cases are followed by questions from the floor and finally, the audience vote.

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Chinese (simplified) captions supplied independantly by Vito Li - Kindness Trust cannot attest to the validity of this translation.

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[Bharani Nath]

The lady on the left (FOR team) says that vegetarian food has become tasty these days. Well, it was always tasty, try Indian food. The problem is that they have always had food that is bland, so vegetarian food was not tasty for them. The guy with glasses (AGAINST team) says Brazil has been producing a lot of Soy by destroying forests. I agree, but he forgot to say that 90% of that produce goes to Factory Farms to feed animals, to produce 10% equivalent beef.

[kindnesstrust]

Excellent observation Bharani. During the Q and A several intelligent questioners in the audience lambasted the meat industry representative for their disingenuous arguments. Have a look at the clips - they are very entertaining!

[kindnesstrust]

That is precisely the point. As long as we have a profligate, wasteful animal producing/killing culture there will always be starvation, drought, and disease. Everything starts with a debate - which was won resoundingly by the ethical side. We now have the real work ahead to make it happen - swiftly, fairly and profitably for all concerned.

[xAlettAx]

They also talked about the choice of every person, whether to eat meat or not. The guy is right, at first his vegetarian father made the decision for him, but later he decided to eat meat. It's the same when parents push children to eat meat from early age and actually many of them just don't enjoy it. Maybe the natural way of choosing is the right one, there was a quote "Put a baby in a basket with an apple and a rabbit. If it eats the rabbit and plays with the apple, I will buy you a new car!"

[inhabitatworld]

All this means that maybe this circle is gonna change in a piramide, whit a base and 2 arows going up, this is the big change that we all lesening but nobody se.

IF NOT YOU, WHO?

IF NOT NOW, WHEN?

[GriffGruff78]

I encourage you to maintain an open mind and investigate further.

[Don Gates]

It takes far less than 5 minutes to realize your TX statistic is ludicrous, and a little bit longer to research the origin of dairy intake in the human diet, but not much longer.

[GriffGruff78]

It's probably because you don't have the inclination to spend more than five minutes researching a topic you are unfamiliar with.

[anitasseo]

Shut up Fiona.. GO VEGGIE!...

[Don Gates]

Why is it when I take the trouble to fact check your claims, and I find that they generally are as far fetched as they sound, you still insist your conclusions are sound? I looked up the history of milk consumption- didn't start until after domestication. I looked up the CDC report you cited when you said 2 out of every one million raw milk drinkers in TX are made sick from it; the report shredded raw milk consumption beginning to end and did not substantiate your claims.

[Don Gates]

You can rephrase it all you want to. I think that expressing milk from a severed cow udder you've dragged to camp is pretty sick. On a sickness scale, it's probably a tough call as to where it would rank among sucking still attached dead cow udder and sucking live cow udder. Something tells me, though, we may have been sucking udders before the idea ever occurred to us to milk them.

[GriffGruff78]

As I read your comment a second time a question occurred to me: why would you find it "sick" for an aboriginal hunter to be as efficient as possible and do everything in his power to prevent waste in his congress with the environment around him?