A critique of the Jesus myth as espoused by Doherty and Truthsurge, part 2

1: Your argument is a non-sequitur, by your own admission. You only say that it "looks better on the mythicist view than the orthodox view". You never addressed why a 2nd coming in the future MUST be described as a "return"

2: Why not call this future coming a revelation, given the powerful and momentous occasion this would be in anyone's eschatology?

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[TruthSurge]

As to your last question... it could be argued that they might call it a revelation simply based on the nature of his coming but then, that does not remove my interpretation. It merely offers a 2nd one. I thought this was going to refute my points. ! :)

[migkillertwo]

you were giving more of a positive argument.

[VyckRo]

This are this mistakes! 1 corinthians 15: 23 the word here is παρουσία "parousia" - return (for this contest) 1 Corinthians 16:22 - what? 2 Peter 1:16 παρουσία "parousia" - return 1 Thessalonians 2:19 "parousia" - return Apocalipse 3:3 the word here is "heko" - that is to be present (literally in this contest) 1 John 2:28 the word here is "parousia" - return 1 Thessalonians 5:23 παρουσία - return James 5:7 παρουσία - return

[spoddie]

never, ever do "air quotes"

[Apologist117]

TruthSurge's premise that the epistles alone reflect the earliest Christian beliefs, is utterly false. He didn't cite any sources or works in his first two videos. He simply asserts his position and assumes people will buy into his lie. Additionally, he has not cited one passage from an epistle that Christ was killed by demons before the world was made. His thesis is essentially a rehash of Docetism and Gnosticism -- with a touch of Jewish tradition about the seven levels of Heaven.

[OneEyedJack1970]

A revelation is simply something that is revealed.

[TruthSurge]

if i get time, i want to do a vid to you on your methodology of refutation. perhaps I can show you what I would think is a better approach. But I now have a new business thingy I'm doing so who knows?

So, if I don't do this vid, just be aware that I think you are a swell guy and you mean well. You are young and have much to learn but you are way ahead of me at your age. One request: search for truth, not a crutch for your current beliefs. It is the only way to go. :)

[vbfl920]

All throughout the NT Both Christ and Paul speak on putting these "things" into practice, GROWING in your faith, not being mere hearers of the word but doers of the word.

It's a total active lifestyle that IMPLIES you walk with God Himself, and He interacts with you.

And that REALLY does happen, when you really seek God sincerely. I completely base my life around this idea. I pray constantly with numerous answered prayer.

If you don't experience God, than what is the point?

That's Deism.

[vbfl920]

" ...even the demons believe and tremble."

Yes, salvation is through faith by grace. But it doesn't end there. That's where it begins.

Having faith doesn't get you out of FOLLOWING Christ.

You cannot be a christian without following Christ, I mean if you believe that then you obviously are not reading scripture. These are primary facts, you should know this.

Every disciple both back then and today FOLLOW Christ in their personal lives, it's not just a "philosophy" that they believe in.

[TruthSurge]

I use a modern def of revelation? Have you ever heard of Strong's Greek lexicon? 

What ANCIENT definition of revelation did I overlook and where is this definition to be found?

I never give a reason to believe that revelation means something shown for the first time? You did watch the vid, yes? It is the definition of the word. If you want to disbelieve the dictionary and Strong's Greek lexicon, I can't stop you.