What does determinism really mean? Is it different in philosophy and science? And what about quantum indeterminism? Is it something strange and special?
You misunderstand quantum indeterminism. It is not epistemological or a limit of what we can know. The theory itself just deals with probabilities. This can be proven.
"Science is a religion." You know someone has nothing interesting to say when they make claims like that.
@menoftheinfinite I just had physicist Lawrence Krauss on my show, the openairatheistpocast ep 18 where I asked him about this very issue. You can listen to the episode on my channel and on the OAAPODCAST channel. Peace : )
@Absoloootly Yes, I would totally agree that it is just as valid to say everything boils down to fate. Are you expanding on my theory, or are you disagreeing on my use of terminology?
@Luigi84289 Wait, you didn't answer my question. Why would the world not be deterministic if someone had control of their actions? I'm not saying anyone has, but if someone had, why would the world in that case not be determined?
@Censeo What determines your actions? causes Control is all in the mind. You see what I'm saying? Determinism means breaking everything down to cause and effect.
@Luigi84289 I'd say if YOU control something, then that something would be determined by you. And how you would choose to control that something would simply be based upon what the nature of you were. So how would that scenario also not be deterministic? If you can explain that, then I agree that determinism necessarily prohibit control.
You misunderstand quantum indeterminism. It is not epistemological or a limit of what we can know. The theory itself just deals with probabilities. This can be proven.
"Science is a religion." You know someone has nothing interesting to say when they make claims like that.
frabjous79 2 weeks ago
@menoftheinfinite I just had physicist Lawrence Krauss on my show, the openairatheistpocast ep 18 where I asked him about this very issue. You can listen to the episode on my channel and on the OAAPODCAST channel. Peace : )
OpenAirAtheist 2 weeks ago
@Absoloootly Yes, I would totally agree that it is just as valid to say everything boils down to fate. Are you expanding on my theory, or are you disagreeing on my use of terminology?
HedgehogRebellion 1 month ago
@HedgehogRebellion Fate--->DNA, etc etc... Fate is everything.
Absoloootly 1 month ago
@Luigi84289
Luck--->DNA--->Brain--->Personality--->Valuers--->Decisions--->LIFE!!!
There4, luck is everything (L.I.E. Theory)
HedgehogRebellion 2 months ago
The definition of determinism should be:
"There is a DEFINITE SYSTEM OR PHYSICS acting on and defines the history of SAID OBJECT or ANYTHING that exists OR is real."
Indeterminism
"There is an INDEFINITE SYSTEM OR PHYSICS acting on and defines the history of SAID OBJECT or ANYTHING that exists OR is real."
Determinism = Logic; that ALL THINGS ARE LOGICALLY BOUND.
Indeterminism = Paradox; that ALL THINGS ARE NOT LOGICALLY BOUND, MIRACLE HAPPEN, CRAZY SHIT HAPPENS.
osheaad 7 months ago
@Luigi84289 Wait, you didn't answer my question. Why would the world not be deterministic if someone had control of their actions? I'm not saying anyone has, but if someone had, why would the world in that case not be determined?
Censeo 1 year ago
@Censeo What determines your actions? causes Control is all in the mind. You see what I'm saying? Determinism means breaking everything down to cause and effect.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 I'd say if YOU control something, then that something would be determined by you. And how you would choose to control that something would simply be based upon what the nature of you were. So how would that scenario also not be deterministic? If you can explain that, then I agree that determinism necessarily prohibit control.
Censeo 1 year ago
@Slabbers He's not fighting anything. Science deals with the material.and it is what we perceive it to be.
Luigi84289 1 year ago