Feynman on existence and purpose
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@willou901
please watch
/watch?v=YltEym9H0x4
it seems to me that feynman speaks very clearly against the "certainty" of religion.
he wasn't "certain of anything" because that's the position of scientists - they are willing to be proven wrong as we learn more and more about nature - but when you listen to him talk, is he really saying "i am not certain of anything therefore i think that theistic god might exist" - is that really what you hear? just curious.
earthypig 11 hours ago
@willou901 once again, it really depends on one's definition of god. religions were started by men who imagined god to be a certain very specific entity. one could start a new religion today and imagine god to be different than both Zeus and the biblical god. if there are people who start this new religion, how certain can we be that this god that they worship do not exist? or should we be certain at all?
earthypig 11 hours ago
@earthypig For it to be a fact that a deity does not exist, one must be certain of it. As Feynman was not certain of the non-existence, it's not a fact.
willou901 11 hours ago
@willou901 it all depends on one's definition of God as to whether we can say there is a high or extremely low probability that god exists or not. if one's definition of God is simply the unknowable quantity that is nature/universe itself or if one's definition of god is a personal god as believed by theists. How confident should we be that the biblical god who created eve out of adam's rib exists or doesn't exist? How confident do you think Feynman was on this issue?
earthypig 11 hours ago
@earthypig Yes, the manner in which people acquire beliefs is irrational, but we cannot say there is no god as a factual statement, as if we can verify it. "Dawkins describes people for whom the probability of the existence of God is between 'very high' and 'very low' as 'agnostic' and reserves the term 'strong atheist' for those who claim to know there is no God. He categorizes himself as a "de facto atheist" but not a "strong atheist" on this scale." Feynman would be the same as Dawkins.
willou901 13 hours ago
@willou901 yes he is specifically pointing out the atheistic position in accepting that they may very well be no purpose at all for our existence on earth. theists are very big on purpose - and having the personal god having a "plan" for each and every one of us. so it seems clear to me that with his words, he is actually making a strong statement against a personal god/ ie theistic god. indeed, in the same interview, he does speak out against the myths of religions in general. :)
earthypig 1 day ago
@willou901everything depends on the definition of "god" i think he makes more specific statements against a theistic god. as for "deistic god" i never thought that deism and atheism were really incompatible.
earthypig 1 day ago
Well is was a good video, then you ruined with your bullshit at the end. Im an Atheist but "there being no god" isn't exactly a fact just a logical assumption.
cjs2964 1 day ago 2
@earthypig . "I have approximate answers,and possible beliefs and different degrees of certainty about different things,but I’m not absolutely sure of anything, and in many things I don’t know anything about,such as whether it means anything to ask why we’re here,and what the question might mean.I don’t feel frightened by not knowing things,by being lost in a mysterious universe without having any purpose,which is the way it really is,as far as I can tell,possibly. " removed words for sp conserv
willou901 1 day ago
@earthypig Yes, I've read two of his biographies. I don't believe in a deity, and I am also an Atheist. There is no reason to believe in a god, yet in accordance with Feynman's belief, there is no reason not to believe in god, as in there is no proof. We may all be an alien's dream and cannot prove otherwise, but that's a silly thought, yet Feynman wouldn't be sure of it, because we cannot with certainty say it wasn't so. Saying there is no God is not a fact.
willou901 1 day ago