Advanced Ving Tsun Chi Sao Practices 2 w Sifu Tom Chi

Moy Yat Ving Tsun (Wing Chun) Kung Fu is the art and science of infighting. Very sophisticated application kung fu, it is filled with nuance and detail. Everywhere you look on youtube you'll see elbows used in offensive striking in chisao play. This demo focuses on whether elbows fit in with the physics which enables great fighting technique!

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[warriormonk108]

The only reason it makes since is beacause you put all the energy in the wrists , both of them.

[heartslord]

@warriormonk108

Interesting observation. And most important is that the energy there is meant to control entry into the striking range. The wrists compose a very important part of chi sao so controlling them is key. For an elbow strike to be in range, btw, one chi sao must collapse and with it the ability to redirect that incoming technique. Properly played no elbow will come close enough and will result in the opponent turned, destitute and forlorn. Lol.

[trubblman]

I dont agree with some of the analysis. The asian can trap you with an elbow by simply switching to tan sau if you push behind the elbow. I dont agree with some of your analyses although I see your skill. For example you mentioned you cannot turn and hit with elbow. Sure you can. Biu Ji teaches that you can IMO. Hitting with elbows and not the preferred the method but it can be done and should not be pooh-poohed for the elbows and knees are very hard surfaces.

[heartslord]

@trubblman

Thoughtful and appreciated. When entry is well done there's no chance of switching to a tan at that point. Poorly done anything can happen. As to the elbow as I've said many times, they are a dead-end technique & should be avoided. deadly when allowed to work. Why not train to a higher level than we might need. I wouldn't use one and I've trained elbows more than most anyone ;-) As to Biu Ji, those flying elbows could be for strikes but they are too easily defeated so hm.

[heartslord]

@ronin752

Actually there are many opinions of what Wing Chun is and does. For me it means never losing the centerline. In fact, this is one of the factors that makes WC a unique art. There is however no reason to abandon those strengths to go behind the opp. Most opps are happy to be turned off and present their back to you however it's not necessary as the WC neutralizes and controls the front just as well.

[ronin752]

@heartslord

So am I to understand that the Wing Chun practictioner will never get behind the opp. Because that would mean for a second losing the centerline.

[heartslord]

@ronin752

In these demonstration breakdowns the opp is not using much force so it dissipates or vaguely redirects with no big splash. If there was more, since I won't allow it to come into my triangle it would cause more rotation and deflection, perhaps even stumbling of the opp. I will always want to keep my centerline directed at the opps center even when he is turned. Then both of my hands are always viable for simultaneous use, particularly since I don't turn the body when striking etc. ;-)

[ronin752]

Your chi sao is good. You seem to have a very high level of development. Wing Chun reminds me of the Okinawan styles of karate, it is like looking back in time. One question. I noticed that often during chi sao you redirect energy, trap hands, and strike, but you don't often repostion and move around the opponent (of course you could do this two ways, move the opponent or move your own body). Why don't I see that? Or do you emphasize this during other trainings not shown here.

[heartslord]

@GetAJobBro

And you too my friend!

[ecigaddict]

Nice strike to the face from the elbow hand. Didn't think about doing that.