BMW R1200RT group test

BMW's boxer tourer gets a new engine and a serious makeover for 2010 - but is it enough to stay on top, ahead of the Honda Pan European and Moto Guzzi Norge? Read the full test in this week's MCN, on sale Wednesday 17 February 2010.

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[AndySV1K]

Bit of an abrupt ending, could you not tell us why you think the BMW is the best? come on give us a clue!

[empireday]

Great review - needed to be longer with more information. Thanks.

[AshtonPhoto]

@weescott206

Agreed.

About 30 seconds of shaky footage of bikes being ridden.

I think I could do a better report with an my phone and iMovie.

[talissin]

@c53204 Guzzi is doin his best with his low resources.

[estranged124]

Where is GTR1400??

[weescott206]

Rubbish report, no fuel,miles, weight data, COG discussion, etc. However this said I own a 07 R12 rt and none of the other boilers in this category or test even come close to it, take away the issues of mirror position and the beamer is the definitive tourer, 39-40 mpg achievable, 140+ mph (Autobahn) for fast continental touring,(mile eating) arrive at the alps, drop the panniers and box, switch to sport mode and destroy lightweight tourers on Klausenpass.. EPIC... there is only one choice here

[oleshotokan]

@mattneur Go try the BMW...I have one and done 10000km on it...its a wonderful bike, no probs, fast and easy to handle.

[c53204]

@mattneur Owned a 650GS for a while. Never had any issues. Can't comment on any BMW model after 2006, but they have to be better than a Guzzi for reliability and comfort.

[mattneur]

@c53204

But have You ever had a BMW? I am just planning to change my bike, I own a Ducati Monster right now and I would like to try something more comfortable, I'm getting old, unfortunately, although I know it will be hard to leave my Monster... anyway I talked to several BMW owners and they all "complained" (in truth they were almost embarassed telling it) several malfunctions (minor electrical accidents, ABS not functioning and so on... Therefore I would really like not to waste my money

[c53204]

@mattneur For a touring bike, you want reliability. The Guzzi screen broke during the test. Having owned a Guzzi I would not want another. After many years they are still producing great character bikes, but with terrible electrics - why won;t they learn!

[369torn]

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[stevenv1992]

@mattneur

Thats not a racist comment.

You can have relatively poor production QC and still make great race track bikes.

Why have Ducati employed an ex-Audi German engineer charging him with matching Japanese quality levels - where he admits they are not quite there.

BMWs problem is they over engineer.