Speechless - Evolution vs. Creationism

Speechless is a debate show on Emerson College Television (ECTV) These packages introduce the panelists to the debate subjects.

Edited and Produced by Ezra Horne

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[paramattic70]

Laws of Creation/Intelligent Design

1st- something can come from nothing as long as God did it.

2nd- energy can be created and destroyed.

3rd- if it walks, talks, looks, sounds, tastes and smells like a Duck and says it's a Duck, it's Not.

4th- if you don't understand something, God did it.

5th- when all logic, reason and common sense are against you, quote the Bible.

6th- the Bible is proof that the Bible is true so quoting the bible is fact.

7th- science is a worldwide conspiracy

[transtlantic]

@1tabligh

"relationship"? wtf... fire is made by three material elements, if those three are not together forming fire, yet they remain existent. Thus..."non existence" is a fallacy. Because while fire is not there, the three elements that form it, surely are. even if not in contact making fire.

The generator might stop, but the electrons that form the light are still there, but now, not moving in a directed line.

for this reason cause and effect is irrelevant, as matter always IS.

u lose

[1tabligh]

@transtlantic Were the relationship to be severed, the existence of the phenomenon would immediately yield to *non-existence*, in just the same way that the very instant an electricity generator *stops* working, all the bright lamps connected to it *fall* dark. It is for this reason that *cause and effect*, freedom from need and subjection to need, are in constant relationship with each other; were the relationship to be severed *nothing* would remain but darkness and non-being.

[transtlantic]

@1tabligh

"a phenomenon that comes into being"? Fire is the union of three things, the phenomena fire is just the trasnformation of the previous three. The cause is the union of three things, thus there is no "essential neediness", only matter and energy.

There is no being here, there's matter and energy, there's no "need", but matter and energy.

again: Is rain not an accident and happenstance?

why don't you answer to my question? you troll.

[1tabligh]

@transtlantic Of course, a phenomenon that comes into being as the result of the existence of a cause *never* loses its essential neediness; it will *always* remain a being characterized by *need*. For this reason, the need of a phenomenon for a cause is permanent and indissoluble; its relationship with the cause will *never* be severed for an instant.

[transtlantic]

@1tabligh

"all the phenomena"...if you claim that there were, there is no question of "not exist". Fire is the transformation of three things, the things that make the fire existed prior to the fire, everything else is the same: Matter exists and transforms, nothing comes out of nothing.

The "cause" is the mere fact of the properties of matter. three things exist with X property and together make fire.

Thus...there is no "external factor", only matter and energy are required.

Thus no God

[1tabligh]

All the phenomena that once did *not* exist and then came into being once possessed abstract notions of being and non-being. When they hastened toward the point of being, this was as a result of a *cause* that impelled them in that direction. It was an impulsion, an *external* factor, that drove them in one direction instead of the other. In other words, the existence of a cause was the agent of being, just as the non-existence or absence of a cause is the agent of non-being.

[transtlantic]

@1tabligh

Actually the universe has different dimensions, the universe is made out of energy and matter. "immersed"? nope. it is all there is. It doesn't acquire anything. IT IS the dimensions. You are just creating more false dichotomy.

fire can't exist with three things, thus the necessary being is made out of more than 1.

again: is rain not an accident and happenstance?