Battles Lost - South Canyon Fire Hike

A walk up Storm King Mountain, discussing lessons learned from historical wildland firefighter fatalities.

Adapted from the National Wildfire Coordinating Group training package, PMS-490 "Lessons Learned: Fatality Fire Case Studies"

VHS video (NFES 2565) may be ordered from the Great Basin supply office.

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[dharsh007]

@yunleilei exactly, when they started all the memory stuff, it only seemed to create a sort of division between older firefighters and the newer ones...

Also memorizing every piece of equipment on the truck, etc.

Stay safe,

Darin

[yunleilei]

@dharsh007 :: I was just wondering how old the film was, since he referenced 13 Watchouts instead of 18. I never learned the 10s using the FIRE ORDERS mnemonic. I learned Keep Know Base ID Post Be M G M Fight Rote memorization was key during my academy. It's kinda funny, cuz when I look at FIRE ORDERS I get confused... :)

[dharsh007]

@yunleilei nothing wrong with the 13 watch outs, he might have some experience after all. I remember them from rote rehearsal just before I went to the Wheeler fire in Ojai...do the math. And the 10 standard firefighting orders, before they had to have a cool mnemonic device. You had to really memorize them.

Stay safe

[dharsh007]

Where did they dig this guy up? I was a crew sup at the Dude fire, and I think they should have someone who was there actually narrate. Could he tell us what White's bite is? About the good old thin Nomex? A belt made of helo or aircraft seatbelts? Aluminum canteens? Maybe the aluminum Bullard helmets?

Better yet, could he even wear current gear? button your shirt, wear a helmet, and put on a shelter and a pack for Christ's sake.

Darin

[firebulldog21]

It's just a matter of time, unless we all remember the past, South Canyon & Mann Gulch were nearly carbon copies. remeber bro's (and sisters).

[fred9za]

as a wild lands fire-fighter myself i think this guy nails the problem on the head

it us we think we all hot and kick ass till someone dies then we move on and forget (sad)

[PSKEMan]

Even if the book may be better, what makes this guy a joke?

[ruckrunner34]

This guy's a joke. See him in your next "lessons learned" class. Just read "Fire on the Mountain." by John Mclean. It's the real story.

[kvguy]

been there it was sad. been a hotshot for the past 6 years, stopped there on the way home from a fire in CO. They had to cut the film in sections i'm sure this dude was winded !

[capt813]

Firefighters on the ground need lookouts all the time. On this fire a lookout could have been posted across the canyon.