Michele Bachmann Smackdown

Michele Bachmann receives a verbal thrashing from Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

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[prodprod]

They are not homeowners. They are lessees. They are tenants of property owned by somebody else. If I own my own property, I can keep pets, I can have kids, I can have as many other people live in my own property as I want (barring health code violations) as I want.

But if I rent from somebody else, the "property owner" gets to decide the terms of my residency. Kids? Pets? Guns? My property -- up to me. His property -- up to him.

I don't like the terms -- I get to go somewhere else.

[Bigbossjin]

I don't need a gun to protect me in my home. I have crossbows, knives, and swords.

[brianestoll]

of course a black woman is afraid of guns.. she probably grew up around gangs

[brianestoll]

this might be the only logical thing MB's ever said

[rajasmasala]

@RebelWrestler45 So you're saying people should have personal drones. I mean, why not? You'd probably have a better arc of fire.

[SolvencyByTaxation]

Thanks Rep. Waters... at least somebody had the "balls" to say it.

[KyleRichardHudson]

You guys have way too much time on your hands. Take a sip of sherry, sit back and enjoy the sunset.

[RebelWrestler45]

@HappyColouredMarbles I too reject Hobbes' thought experiment; as it creates a false hypothetical, but it is still illuminating. I would define 'natural rights' in the Lockean sense; life, liberty, and property. The application of this in society is a balance b/w natural rights and societal obligation; wherein the exercise of one's freedom stops at the point where another's natural rights are violated. The defense of one's life, liberty, and property is a natural right.

[HappyColouredMarbles]

@RebelWrestler45 I have read Locke and Hobbes, and I don't find them convincing. The premise is important in the arguments they make - Locke draws natural law from the state of nature that he sets out at the beginning of his treatise. I stand by my opinion to reject the Hobbesian thought experiment as the state of nature. Now you do have a good point that other factors impact violence than just weapons themselves, but I still disagree that owning guns is a natural right.

[RebelWrestler45]

@HappyColouredMarbles Here we have a classic example of fallaciously ascribing causation to mere correlation. There are thousands of demonstrably influential variables; from income disparity and social inequality, to illegal immigration and gang problems, to the criminalization of drugs that increase murder rates.To understand natural law, read Locke's 2nd Treatise of Government and Hobbe's Leviathan; natural law is not based on a false conception of nature.