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[steve81132]

Great video bro!!!!

[Arvanitarius]

'The modern name for the city is the Albanian form Vlorë or Vlora, pronounced [ˈvlɔɾə], while in the Gheg Albanian dialect it is known as Vlonë. Vlorë was created in antiquity as a Greek colony (6th century BC) in the territory of Illyria. Its first name, still used today in Greece, is Aulón (Greek: Αυλών), which means valley' (Wikipedia, Vlorë) [..] '(Vlorë) was an important port of the Roman Empire, when it was part of Epirus Nova' (ibid)

[Arvanitarius]

Also, Wikipedia reads:

'Oricum or Orikos (Ancient Greek Ὤρικος or Ὠρικός) was an Ancient Greek city in the northern part of Epirus (modern south Albania), at the south end of the Bay of Vlorë. [..] The city, said to have been founded by Euboeans (perhaps as an Eretrian emporium)'

[Herodotus describes Oricum] 'as a limen, or harbor, but eventually it achieved the status of a polis, and from around 230 to 168 BC it issued its own coins with the legend ΩΡΙΚΙΩΝ ('of the Oricians')'

(ibid)

[Arvanitarius]

Romans invade Oricum, a Greek town at Epirus:

''But as soon as Caesar had landed his troops, he set off the same day for Oricum: when he arrived there, Lucius Torquatus, who was governor of the town by Pompey's appointment, and had a garrison of Parthinians in it, endeavored to shut the gates and defend the town, and ordered the Greeks to man the walls, and to take arms. But as they refused to fight against the power of the Roman people'' [...] (Julius Caesar; ''De Bello Civili'', Book III:12)

[IanHunedoara8]

@Arvanitarius Oricum near Vlore (Avlona) was at least one Roman polis in Epirus . Not all Vlakhoi are of Dacian origin as there were Latin speaking communities in Illyria and Thrakia and there was a line across the Rhodopes dividi.ng linguistic affinity between those natives assimilated to Greek and Latin respectively

[Arvanitarius]

Maybe you confuse Greek Illyris or Epirus Nova (ie, New Epirus or Arvanon) for Latin Dalmatia and Bosnia (ie, Latin Illyricum). Or, is it maybe you mistake it for Latin Moesia (ie, Dardania) and Dacia. When Romans got there to Greek Illyris (Epirus Nova), there wasnt a people speaking Vlach yet. It takes also few more centuries for Vlach speakers to appear first in neighbouring Moesia (Dardania or Kosovo) and Dacia (Wallachia). And, it took Vlachs another few centuries to appear also to Epirus.

[Arvanitarius]

Ian, maybe you forget the Romans had also conquered the highlands and the lowlands at this region too, not just few Greek cities. They didnt report of any other tribes living nowhere there then, except from the Greek Epirotes who then spoke only Greek. This is why Romans named the whole region New Epirus (Epirus Nova), which includes the land from Apollonia (Pojane) to Akrolissus (Alession or Lezhe) and also from Koritsa (Korce) to Koukesi (Kukesh). Only Greek-speakers were living there then.

[IanHunedoara8]

Exactly my point. The attraction of Roman citizenship, thru military sevice and absorbing language and culture was that it was AVAILABLE to the rude Illyrian farmer and herdsman to the point he ceased being Illyrian, Dacian or Thrakian and became an Aromanian or Romanised Illyrian while citizenship of the Greek polis would have been always denied to the "barbaroi"Hence this metamorhosis

[Arvanitarius]

In addition, its far from certain that these Southern or Real Illyrians, they werent already Greek speakers also and even prior to these Macedonian and Epirotan penetrations of their land of origin. You dont expect us to believe either its possible to assimilate a foreign people completely in terms of culture, religion and spoken language too within only few decades before the Romans get there and notice not a trace of a non-Greek people in that region and give the land only a Greek name.

[Arvanitarius]

@IanHunedoara8 you are correct about Greek Illyris (Macedonians named it that), which begins at Apollonia (Pojane) and reaches to Akrolissus (Lissus or Alession or Lezhe). But, this is only so prior to the Macedonian penetration of that region. And, when the Epirotes of Pyrrhus followed the Macedonians there, they absorbed Greek Illyris to Greek Epirus. Its precisely that which made foreign Romans also name that region New Epirus (Epirus Nova) when they got there several decades later.