Dave Hunt on Rome
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Cyprian "If Abraham believed in God and it was imputed to him for righteousness then each one who believes in God and lives by faith is found to be a righteous person"
Athanasius "Not by these (i.e. human efforts) but by faith, a man is justified as was Abraham
Jerome "When an ungodly man is converted God justified him through faith alone not on account of good works which he possessed not
It appears these church fathers agreed more so with the Reformers rather than the Roman Pagan church
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Clement of Rome "We also, being called through God's will in Christ Jesus are not justified through ourselves neither through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works which we have done in holiness or heart but through faith" (Epistle to Corinthians)
Polycarp "I know that through grace you are saved not of works but by the will of God through Jesus Christ (Epistle of Philippians)
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Dave doesnt understand Catholic doctrine or church history very well.The students and co-workers of John the Apostle like Polycarp and Ignatius of Antioch taught Catholic doctrine in the end of the first and start of the the second century.They as the Apostle Paul did a few years early taught that the real presence of Christ at communion.That the regeneration occurs at infant baptism. In fact Ignatius used the word Catholic as early as 107 A.D. Catholicism always taught what the apostles did.
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The RCC baptized the pagan gods and life continued as usual. Those who knew the truth and spoke out against bringing polytheism into the church, were killed the same before Constantine and afterwards. Look at the methods of how the martyrs died under the caesars, the deaths continued under the popes in many of the very same ways and knew ones, even more insidious.
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Most churches are harlots because they believe in a triune God, the RCC introduced. The Bible says YHWH is one and there is none like Him. People reject YHWH Name even. They think Sunday is the Sabbath. There are titles in the churches when it is written no titles. They corrupt the Word of YHWH. They do not teach people to follow the Commands of YHWH and Yahshua. Churches are an abomination.
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@delite The "body" is a subset of believers in some, perhaps many of the churches that are harlots. The church being a harlot does not prevent some believers who contend for the faith, who contend for the truth, those believers are "the church". If you say you don't get it, you are not trying. AT this point it should be so clear. You seem to think that a beleiver must have a perfect church to facilitate this. You are wrong in this common error I think this error destroys Catholics. but not all.
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@delitemyheart The authentic believers are those tht contend for the truth, no matter what church they are, if they are not contending for the truth, perhaps they are not true believers? Certainly anyone who contends for tradition over truth, it questionable BUT that is the point which Christ instructs us to not judge. One can not judge specific PEOPLE and their standing with Christ, but contending for truth should be supported by all true believers.
Do you want truth?
No institution is pure.
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Wonone100....there are many other Churches that teach False doctrine's..Not only the Catholic Church. And all of them believe that Jesus was Crucified and Rose from the dead!
Does this mean they are all saved???
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I would agree that the Catholic Church commits Fornication with False Gods such as Mary veneration...etc!
But what about all other Churches. You said that all other Churches are Harlot Churches because of Luther. So how do all other Churches commit Fornication like the Mother of Harlots???
Exactly. The real Christians suffered while the fake Christians took all the power.
littleredbirdy 3 years ago 9
Only the Holy Spirit has the correct interpretation, not some organization.
littleredbirdy 3 years ago 3