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The Magic of Consciousness

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[mojokiss]

I don't believe in consciousness actually

[homerj7g]

@mojokiss

The one thing Descartes was actually right about (when it comes to the mind), was "I think therefore I am".

[homerj7g]

@cunnidvd

I have seriously never seen a single credible piece of scientific evidence showing that consciousness is separate from the brain. Please link to a web page or a wikipedia article or something. If you just say "the evidence is everywhere" without providing a citation, can only assume there isn't any.

[natmanprime]

@homerj7g no he wrong about that as well

[nancyl2]

3:06 made a bling moment within my head; that people (scientists + scholars etc) are LOOKING to something BIG + WOW WOW to answer the solution to Getting the Mess our world has fallen into over the eons in this tired ARSE <-- drama. You see SIMPLISTIC; IT is so simple when the the BEings of the ALL in ONE (WHOLE) awakens fully; is going to make them Laugh-Their-Asses-Off because it was LOVING, Compassion as I have been shouting + shouting. This will bring the Balance of the feminine to balance

[1simonmatthews]

@homerj7g Who knows. My mind is boggled. I just watched Athene's Theory Of Everything on here, a 50 minute documentary, and all I'm sure of now is that I don't know much at all. I do know one thing though - it's bloody weird! Thanks for taking time to talk to me man, you'll probably see me round on here from time to time when ideas pop into my head :-)

[homerj7g]

@1simonmatthews

Example A: Your brain is replaced with someone else's for one night, you awake with bruises. Was that you who experienced last night?

Example B: The atoms in your brain are rearranged to match the configuration of the other persons brain from example A for one night and then rearranged back. You awake with bruises. Was that you who experienced last night?

My claim is that both examples are equivalent, and the question of "who was it?" is ultimately the wrong question.

[1simonmatthews]

@homerj7g No, it's a different brain and thus a different experiencer because the experiencer is not a product of the brain. So if I completely forget something then, does that mean I didn't experience that event and that someone else did? When I get drunk and do silly things, of which I am very conscious at the time, then forget by the next morning but wake up full of bruises, does that mean I didn't do it or experience it or feel any of the pain that may have been associated with it?

[homerj7g]

@1simonmatthews

I think the problem here is that you are equating 1 physical human body with 1 consciousness. You refer to both as "you". This is quite natural to want to do. Thinking in this way is very useful for society. That doesn't mean it is philosophically correct.

What if you slap a baby, replace it's memories by transplanting a different newborn baby brain into the baby. Is that the same person simply with a different brain state?

[homerj7g]

@1simonmatthews

Are you a different "experiencer" if you have all your memories erased? I think this question in itself makes assumptions that will ultimately turn out to be wrong.

If they way you react to stimulu is what defines you as "you", then everything in your mind (past memories and proclivities to certain reactions), then you are not the same experiencer even moment to moment. It just feels like you are because the change is so gradual.

[1simonmatthews]

@homerj7g You can feel a slap the moment you're born. So who is it that is feeling that slap? It's you. Extract that memory and slap you again. It's still you feeling that slap, but you just won't remember the first slap. It's not a whole new person feeling that slap, even though you'll think you are. I'm sure we've all forgotten events from the past, but that doesn't mean it was a different person that it happened to. You did experience the event, but you've forgotten that you did.