Sam Parnia - press conference -Part 2

from http://www.mindbodysymposium.com

Beyond the Mind-Body Problem:
New Paradigms in the Science of Consciousness
September 11th, 2008, United Nations, New York

An International U.N. Symposium Featuring

Mario Beauregard, Ph.D.
Elie During, Ph.D.
Ebrahim Elahi, M.D., FACS
Bruce Greyson, M.D.
Andrew B. Newberg, M.D.
Sam Parnia, M.D., Ph.D.
Christina M. Puchalski, M.D., FACP
Jeffrey M. Schwartz, M.D.
Henry P. Stapp, Ph.D.
Esther M. Sternberg, M.D.

Over the past decade, an increasing number of physicians and neuroscientists have sought to uncover the complex relationship between mind, brain, and consciousness as they continue to search for a more comprehensive perspective on the "self" and the workings of the human mind. Though much remains to be done, their findings to date have shed a more holistic light on our understanding of the elusive mind-body problem. Join our panel of renowned experts as they explain how new paradigms fueled by the latest scientific research are beginning to fundamentally alter how we perceive and relate to the physical world.

The symposium will also serve as the occasion for the formal launch of The Human Consciousness Project—a multidisciplinary collaboration of international scientists and physicians who have joined forces to research the nature of consciousness and its relationship with the brain. Led by Dr. Sam Parnia, The Human Consciousness Project will conduct the world's first large-scale multicenter studies at major U.S. and European medical centers on the relationship between mind and brain during clinical death. The results of these studies may not only revolutionize the medical care of critically ill patients and the scientific study of the mind and brain, but may also bear profound universal implications for our understanding of death and what happens when we die.

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• Consciousness
• Science
• Multidimensionality
• out
• of
• body
• experience
• astral
• projection
• near
• death
• sam
• parnia

[VegasSkateCulture]

Science will take us far, but  the nature of our existence has been figured out a while ago. This test will just be proving what the majority of the world already believes, and scientist will also have to bow their heads, realizing that there exist a place where naturalism stops, supernaturalism begins, and the latter realm is controlled by God.

sorry.

[anewpersonalparadigm]

@VegasSkateCulture Religion has always been the self-appointed gatekeeper to the mysteries of the universe, and every day it's forced to move the goalpost as science expands our understanding of the natural world.

[VegasSkateCulture]

I can't wait until the study is done. Every atheist will bow his head, and it will be a glorious day for mankind.

[anewpersonalparadigm]

@VegasSkateCulture An Atheist is simply a person who doesn't believe in God. If anything, positive results from this study would further illustrate yet another plane of reality in which there is no consistent evidence for any deity.

Skeptics, on the other hand, will surely question the validity of any results that provide evidence for survival beyond the death of the physical body. Which is absolutely essential - we must insist on evidence and science as we explore the nature of our existence.

[slafkec]

You are brave man, Mr. Sam Parnia! I wish you good luck in your research!

[sebedina]

well done in this research

[changewind13]

@VegasSkateCulture what about siamese twins

[AnduinX]

@87eto: From an objective point of view, one should choose a model that best fits all of the evidence we have. Materialism does not fit all of the evidence we have.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: More often then not though, evidence is completely thrown out. There are near death experiences, for example, where people were able to objectively report things they could not have possibly known. In the case of Pam Reynolds, a whole team of doctors was witness to this.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: Rather than face these things, faith-driven materialists simply state they’re just ‘mysteries to be solved’. This is exactly how a theist would behave. These people believe without any shadow of a doubt that the mind is the brain, and any observations they come across that they cannot explain, will be explained by their belief system in the future. Rather than change with the evidence, they mold the evidence around their model.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: In order for the materialist view to survive as a model it has to discard or ignore conflicting material. Documented phenomenon that bring the idea of mind=brain into question, such as terminal lucidity and severe hydrocephalus (Lorber, 1980) – which was documented and published in leading medical journals flies in the face of neuroscience.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: The materialist view is not the absence of something at all. Rather than consciousness being an intrinsic basic part of the universe, as I believe, materialists hold that consciousness ‘somehow’ emerges from unconscious matter as a result of complexity. The idea that dead, inanimate matter can be arranged in a pattern and magically consciousness emerges is itself a belief system without foundation.

[87eto]

@VegasSkateCulture  The supernatural realm seems to be shrinking :D

[87eto]

Practically, I cannot say that a fat naked guy called George is orbiting somewhere in the asteroid belt and ask you to prove me wrong.

Not accepting non-proved affirmation is not a belief it's the standard position an objective person would take not depending on the context of the affirmation.

[87eto]

@AnduinX I'd like to point out the logic flaw you've made right from the beginning of your affirmation. The absence of non-observable entities does not require any demonstration as long as no valid evidence involving their existence has been found.

[AnduinX]

@87eto: It's a form of faith.  Materialists have 'faith' that all of the problems with their model will be solved and their world view will be proven correct. You are what you hate.