Fall of Rome vs Failure of American Politics, Economy pt 1
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rafaelsalinas58 3 weeks ago
@Germanicus00 You've posted so many response comments that I'm not going to bother responding to all of them. I'll just say that I don't blame Christianity for the fall of the Western Roman Empire. I now have a greater understanding of the factors that led to the Western Roman Empire's fall. I still despise Christianity nonetheless, but not because I'm a pantheistic atheist.
bxjam85 1 month ago
@bxjam85 Blaming Christianity for the fall of the Roman Empire is what people did in the 18th century and for some reason secularists still cling to until today. I think the majority of main stream scholars would laugh at your claim, maybe reassess your historical perspective a bit.
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 state sanctioned genocide, I think it's to fair the say the Roman ethos needed some refinement. I guess if you think living in a society where human life is viewed as disposable, I suppose the Roman Empire (the most successful third world nation in all of history) is the place for you to live, granted you aren't left to die on a cliff as a new born by parents who can't afford to sustain your existence or don't get knocked off in some epidemic before the age of 15.
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 rustics out of their food. In times of epidemic disease it even got better. Writers such as Herodian and Cyprian (the Bishop of Carthage in the mid-3rd century) lamented the fact that pagans fled cities (further spreading the plague, leaving their family members and friends to die, while Christians stayed behind to nurse the sickly (gaining immunity and ensuring the spread of their faith). Without mentioning other barbaric practices condoned by the Romans, infanticide and
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 for the rich 1%, the aristocracy, that occasionally rained down monetary largesse upon the people in the form of bread or coin doles. These impoverished poor would on occasion fill their empty stomachs in a rather "un-Romanly manner" by rampaging through the countryside in search of food. Galen, a Greek physician of the 2nd century, noted every harvest time bands of desperate poor from the cities would pilfer the surrounding rural areas in search of food, subsequently leaving the poor
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 mass unemployment. More importantly a large part of the Roman economy was based upon the use of slave labor which ultimately discouraged any need for labor saving technology. If you still think the Christian ethos was somehow caustic, I don't think you would find the Roman one much better. The majority of Romans, at least those in the city, were what we would call the urban poor. Unemployment would have been rampant because of slave labor and education was out of the question except
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 economically well before the third century, particularly in the reigns of Hadrian and Marcus Aurelius due to bad harvests and the loss of sufficient labor forces due to endemic disease (Antonine Plague of the late 2nd Century). In regards to "technological stagnation", there was a policy, even from the early Imperial period, of discouraging technological innovation. Famously, the Emperor Vespasian banned the construction of new cranes which reduced labor needs in fear of mass
Germanicus00 1 month ago
@bxjam85 That's not really true. When you look at the Byzantine Empire (Rome Eastern Empire), which was arguably even more Christianized then it's Western counterpart, i.e. the Patriarchate being the de facto puppet of the Byzantine Autocrats, it prospered well after the fall of Roman power in the West. This largely came down to the fact that East simply had more tax revenues because it controlled the wealthiest parts of the Empire, Egypt, Syria, Asia Minor, etc... The West was stagnating
Germanicus00 1 month ago
When many of today's kids graduate high school, they are left at a competitive disadvantage without being taught that their speech is all-important. Too often, they will speak using "street" or vernacular language and accents. This handicaps them greatly when job-seeking, & is totally ignored by the school system. Clear enunciation and articulate speech is required for success. Perhaps many are afraid to say something about this problem due to "political correctness", and That Must End Now.
YosupMofo 1 month ago