Is Racial Pride Irrational?

A response to Tooltime9901's video concerning racial pride and other race issues: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSjbmNnWd_4

CITATIONS

Cost of Affirmative Action

The Economic Costs of Racial and Cultural Diversity. National Policy Institute. Oct. 2008. http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/costofdiversity.pdf

Black on White Hate Crime Rate

The Color of Crime. New Century Foundation. Web. 09 Apr. 2011. http://www.colorofcrime.com

Supporting the Similarity Thesis:

Buss, D.M. (1985, January-February). Human mate Selection. American Scientist, 73, 47-51

Yun, K.A. (2002). Similarity and Attraction. In M. Allen, N, Burrell, B.M. Eayle, & R.W. Press (Ed.), Interpersonal Communication Research: Advances though Meta-Analysis (pp. 145-168). Mahwah, NJ: Erlbaum

Similarity Reduces Anxiety:

Duck, S., & Barnes, M.K. (1992). Disagreeing About Agreements: Reconciling Differences About Similarity. Communication Monograph, 59, 199-208.

Implicit Egotism in Valuing Similarity

Jones, J.T., Pelham, B.W., & Carvallo, M. (2004). How do I love thee? Let me count the Js: Implicit Egotism and Interpersonal Attraction. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 87, 665-683

Disliked Similarity

Cooper, J., & Jones, E. E. (1969). Opinion divergence as a strategy to avoid being miscast. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 13, 23-30.

Taylor, S., Mette, D. (1971). When similarity breeds contempt. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 20, 75-81.

Bonobos are Between 98-99.5% Identical to Human Beings

The Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium (1 September 2005). "Initial sequence of the chimpanzee genome and comparison with the human genome". Nature 437 (7055): 69--87. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html

Black, Richard. "Chimps Genetically Close to Humans." BBC News - Home. Web. 10 Apr. 2011. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3042781.stm

Down-Syndrome

Liptak, Gregory S (December 2008). "Down Syndrome (Trisomy 21; Trisomy G)". Merck Manual. URL: http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/sec23/ch266/ch266b.html

Kill a Haole Day:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/20101115_Judges_cite_Kill_Haole_Day.html
http://archives.starbulletin.com/1999/03/24/news/story7.html

Value of Pride

DeSteno, David, and Lisa Williams. "Social Emotions and Intertemporal Choice "Hot" Mechanisms for Building Social and Economic Capital." Psychological Science (2009): 9-12. Web. http://www.psychologicalscience.org/journals/cd/18_5_inpress/DeSteno_final.pdf

Costs and Benefits of Colonialism

Niall Ferguson, Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World

Tay-Sachs Disease

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay-Sachs_Disease

SPLC Haole Hate Crime:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2...

Hawaii's Civil Rights Commission Find use of the word "Haole" in contexts to be a racial slur:

http://www.state.hi.us/labor/hcrc/decisions/contested_cases/Davifin.txt

Hawaii State Prosecutor designates the term "Haole" as a racial epithet.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2007/02/24/news/story01.html

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[genericaccounr]

I was with you until 11:00. Then it just got mind-blowingly fucking stupid. Seriously, I don't even know where to begin.

[LaughingMan0X]

@genericaccounr

Howsabout making an actual argument instead of name-calling. That's typically how adults settle matters in epistemic dispute.

[TheIlluminerdi]

I think you edit this video to remove the citation from the National Policy Institute because being associated with their studies is the most compelling argument that you are a racist that anyone could make.

[LaughingMan0X]

@TheIlluminerdi

1) What the hell are you talking about? I said the study was from the NPI explicitly in the video. Furthermore, the citation to the NPI study is in the video description.

2) I wasn't aware that guilt by association was a valid argument; thanks for correcting me. Oh wait......

[TheIlluminerdi]

@LaughingMan0X

1. Sorry, I accidentally omitted the word "should" from sentence ("I think you SHOULD edit"). It was a bad typo.

2. Guilt by association has various degrees of rationality. You citing the study isn't a terribly compelling argument, but one could interpret it to mean that you actively read their literature. They ARE a hate group and I say that unequivocally. I don't know enough information—You could simply have googled it—but it doesn't bode well to cite such a study.

[LaughingMan0X]

@TheIlluminerdi

2A) No, guilt by association doesn't degrees of (epistemic) rationality, it is a logical fallacy plain & simple. Also, how do you infer from the fact that I cite one of their studies that therefore I haven't read their literature? That's a total non-sequitur and seems wrong prima facie.

The term "hate group" is little more then defamation which is often used to poison the well (if I call your group a hate group, then I can dismiss what they say w/o addressing your argument).

[ReinhardVonSiegfried]

Wow, Tooltime9901 got completely owned.

[14SHARPSHOOTER88]

You are good at pointing at logical fallacies.

[lookit87]

@thegillotine09 Exactly. Using the economic value of *exhibiting* a sentiment in order to acquire gratification is not what is disputed to be rational.

[blackacidlizzard]

@dirtyfood

"did you just imply that the colonization of Africa resulted in the abolition of slavery? Just think about that for a second"

He did. Now how 'bout you go and think about it for more than one second?

[dirtyfood]

Wait wait...did you just imply that the colonization of Africa resulted in the abolition of slavery? Just think about that for a second...

Oh and of course pride is a good thing but it is also a double edged sword and when you combine pride with racial heritage you're only walking a dark path.

What is there to celebrate about race? A race is just a genetic variation of a the same species if you're going to celebrate anything it should be the accomplishments of the HUMAN race.

[JOEtheHOTTIE]

you can't assign a single numerical value for the 'benefit' of attending a racial pride parade. it could be different for different people--for some it could be 10, for some it could be 9, and so on... .and for some it could be 0... and for some it could even be negative considering the social, personal, financial, political, etc. backlash that they have to deal with after attending racial pride parades.

[JOEtheHOTTIE]

actually, in Japan, they do no discriminate just against whites, they discriminate against outsiders.

[DevilDogScout]

oh, and another thing, why in the hell do you hear black people (not that I have anything against them) complain about slavery that happened more than a hundred years ago, and use it as a way to attack whites, when people like the Jews, who faced fucking genocide no less, don't attack Germans or Italians for it?

[DevilDogScout]

I fucking hate race debates. However, this video is great, and needs more views. Its impossible to have a fair argument for race, because one will, no matter what, be somehow swayed to favoring one side. that's why I say we need to flow a little more, and people need to be able to express pride in their race or heritage, at last to the point where it starts to be offensive. I'd love to have a white pride march or where something that expressed pride, but I'd get hammered as a racist. It's sad.

[kamakazechris]

Race? you're a moron.

[thegillotine09]

Benefit of going to church: 10 utils.

Economic costs: none

Time costs: 1 hour.

Effort costs: low

Risk cost: very low

Conclusion: Religion is rational.