Baucus: It Is 'Disrespectful, Unseemly' to Invoke Kennedy Name in Opposition to Health Care Reform

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[fishhead06]

The GOP are obstructionist, hypocritical, corporate whores. Film at 11.

[joshatkins94]

watching glenn beck again?

[mintvagoo]

Courage and conservatism mix like oil and water. Where there is a dress- a conservative hides behind it.

[joshatkins94]

It really, really doesn't. Things you say are marxist are what every other developed country has - every country which stood against communism in the Cold War - single-payer (most of them) or a public option.

[joshatkins94]

Some great Beck quotes:

"We're into socialism now. This isn't our final destination. Our final destination is communism."

"He [Pres. Obama] may be a full-fledged Marxist. He has surrounded himself by Marxists his whole life."

"This President is, I believe, a racist"

"It is -- it is our govt. If you trust our govt., it's fine. If you have any kind of fear that we might be headed towards a totalitarian state, look out, buckle up. There is something going on in our country that is -- ain't good."

[TrollBuster9090]

It doesn't take move than about three seconds to prove Beck wrong, on average.

How about the time he played a 20 second clip of Obama saying "we need a civilian security force..." and then jerked off for half an hour about what he "might" mean by that, including all sorts of analogies to the Gestapo and Hitler Youth. When in fact, if you backed the tape up to 10 seconds before the clip he played you'd hear him specifically say he was talking about the Peace Corps and U.S. Foreign Service.

[TrollBuster9090]

I agree, we need at least four parties. A true Progressive party, a center-left party (Democrats), a center-right party (Repubs) and a traditional conservative party (probably Tea Party). I don't think Libertarian would fit that fourth category because they are fiscal conservative but social liberal. However, five parties (including libertarians) would be even better. Two parties is bullshit.

[TrollBuster9090]

Four Republicans breaking ranks with the Republican scorched-earth, "I hope he fails" Limbaugh strategy would've been better. Then they could've told Nelson, Baucus, and Landrieu to shove their "my vote is for sale" attitude up their ass, and kicked Lieberman out of caucus for good, and still written a much better bill than this one.

55 Democrats and an independent came to a reasonable compromise, and it was hijacked by three spoiled brat Democrats, and an amorphous blob from Connecticut.

[TrollBuster9090]

The GOP was never locked out. In the Senate alone there were two bills, both written and passed in committee, with the committees being composed (proportionally) of both Democrats and Republicans.

In the H.E.L.P. committee bill alone, Democrats accepted 161 Republican amendments, and even after accepting all those amendments only one (Snowe) would vote for it.

slate. com/id/2223023/

At one point Dodd even motioned to include Republican amendments without debate, and REPUBLICANS objected.

[TrollBuster9090]

While I agree the bill is a crap sandwich, and the big ticket items don't kick in until 2013, the patients bill of rights and new regulations on HMOs kick in the day it's signed, as do the health insurance tax credits.