Sifu Nathan Menaged - Water Boxing Form

Sifu Nathan Menaged demonstrating Liu He Ba Fa (Water Boxing Form) at the Cheng Man Ching International Forum 2004. Nathan is a student of the late Grandmaster Dr. Tao Ping-Siang. Sifu Nathan's website is www.taichicorner.net

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[jansondaybreak]

That's beautiful internal work. Its not for putting on a show - its true flowing martial art. Where does he teach?

[moorejames]

Nathan's school is in Columbus, OH.

He also teached workshops across the U.S. and Europe.

[Daxflamemusic]

this is my uncle nathan!

my name is jake! i think i met you jim, when i was very young!

my uncle rules!!

[moorejames]

Thanks for the note, and you're right - Nathan is amazing. I doubt we've met though, I've only been studying with him for a little over 2 years.

[RoyalDragonusa]

What lineage is this?

[moorejames]

Nathan studied Liu He Ba Fa with the late Dr Tao Ping-Siang, who was a student of Wu Yi Hui.

[dybdahl327]

What a humble and well articulated comment. However, after examining both forms I would argue not that one is right and one is wrong, but rather that the two are trying to do different things. For instance, in one strength and flexibility seem to be the primary goals, whereas the other appears to be focusing more on practical martial application.

[camparkerqi]

The dude's built like a barrel. His center is so low and his root so deep. As a younger less developed student, i seem to depend on my strong leg muscles to place my root, pushing with dynamic tension adhereing me to the earth, hence a low stance. He just seems to have set his root so deep that is has become second nature to move in an upright posture (just a guess). He also seems to be moving within the comfort zone of his trousers.

[naumutroi]

also ........ liuhebafa has six hand forms, one of which is quite fast like the Hsing-i five element. there is the 12 animals, six harmonies fist, coiled dragon fist, coild dragon swimming, 8 Essences of Lu Hong's Fist and Dragon and Tiger fighting. this form could be one of those as well. I only know part one of six harmonies fist (300 plus movements) and 4 of the 12 animals. So i do not recognize this form.

[naumutroi]

that said. there are also other lineages that also have thier own leader and Grandmaster. How this came to be this way I do not know. That is politics. That is lineage goes to Wu Yihui (Ng Yik Fai) says that it is liuhebafa but a different style of liuhebafa. Once again, excellent performance.

[naumutroi]

Grandmaster Chan taught in singapore and in hong kong. Grandmaster Chan only accepted only six people to be his disciples into the liuhebafa lineage. Lung Wah (Long Hua), Jau Mui Tin (Zhou Mei Tian), Poon Yi (Pan Yi), Ho Moon Cheung (He Man Xiang), Choi Wai Lun (Cai Hui Lin), Mok Kei Fai (Mo Chi Hui). Of these six, only Grandmaster Wai Lun Choi was given the credentials to continue the liuhebafa lineage as its new leader.

[naumutroi]

beautiful form. nice performance. i do not believe in the notion that one form is wrong and the other form is right. it is a difference of lineage and styles of which all carry the singular name of liuhebafa. To over-simplify it, the main styles being the Shanghai / Hong Kong one and the Nanking one. The shanghai one is under Grandmaster Chan Yik Yan. Grandmaster Chan Yik Yan is the only known disciple of Grandmaster Wu Yihui to be taught the complete liuhebafa system.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

I can not stop watching this mezmorizing performance. When I look at the other instructional vids and then go back and look at his movement it is incredibly spiritual with regard to his definition of pushhands as an exercise in loss and understanding of what I call finding and causing equalibrium (neutralization) in a conflict. Also his reference to childhood or pre-natal state of mind concerning he results of a taoist mindset with T'ui shou or pushhands. Gotta meet this guy...

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

By the way, the "I'm too sexy for my shirt" technique is now a part of my form practice. The technique ha been used by some pretty high level practitioners in pushhand presentations. If ones root is strong and silk-reeling is well cultivated this is the ultimate technique against an opponent that has had trouble with the first four gates of grappling defense and wishes to push, pluck or grasp to uproot. Wu Mengxia talks about this in his annotations on the 13 Character Dilligence Song.

[ANGELSGYMSINGH]

This is the pure poetry of an evolving IMA performing a rruely Western interpretation of a very ancient and traditonl Eastern discipline. As a practitioner of Internal Boxing for over two decades I am cultivating my skills with Liuhebafa wisdoms. As an experiment I used these wisdoms in conjunction with a reexamination of the 13 methods and 7 stars through Wu Mengxia's 9 Pugilistic Songs applied to Wu Style Slow and Fast forms. The result is that I now Box with the spirit of fire & water.

[TAICHIFUNNY]

Great Form and in touch with Nathan you get in contact with deep understanding and sound practical knowledge. Tanks for the posting.

[DrJoeJohn]

That was beautiful to watch. For a moment there, I felt as though I could see the energy flowing around and from his fingers. Thankyou for an entrancing and enlightening video. The music fit perfectly.

[darksavior15]

ooh from phil. he is now in usa